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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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Well this stupid money is doing just fine.

Where is the smart money these days?

When I bought my properties many friends labelled me as "Stupid".
I've sold a few since and building now---I'm evidently still "Stupid"

Stupid is comfortable so happy to remain and continue on my stupid way.
 
When I bought my properties many friends labelled me as "Stupid".
I've sold a few since and building now---I'm evidently still "Stupid"

Stupid is comfortable so happy to remain and continue on my stupid way.

OK, maybe stupid was a bad word to use, I was referring to the irresponsible lending environment we have been in.

I wasn't calling anyone stupid, except maybe the irresponsible lending institutions and reserve banks who have fueled the Real Estate Bubbles Worldwide by making too much easy money available.

If you've made money through this cycle, good on you, just don't get caught naked when the music stops playing.
 
OK, maybe stupid was a bad word to use, I was referring to the irresponsible lending environment we have been in.

Irresponsible Borrowers more to the point.

I wasn't calling anyone stupid, except maybe the irresponsible lending institutions and reserve banks who have fueled the Real Estate Bubbles Worldwide by making too much easy money available.

They are a business just like any other.
They Identified opportunity and took advantage of it.
Stupid people,made stupid decisions,which have placed them in positions which only stupid people would find themselves.

If you've made money through this cycle, good on you, just don't get caught naked when the music stops playing.


Thanks I'll do my best.
Id rather be in my position than paralised by FEAR.
 
Id rather be in my position than paralised by FEAR.
Oh Puuullleeeeeeze!!!

An economic decision to not buy RE is not necessarily fear FFS! Anyone who is fearful would not be here trading stocks now would they?
 
When I bought my properties many friends labelled me as "Stupid".
Yes, we can certainly relate to this tech/a
Fortunately we managed to help a few of our friends overcome the fear of buying their first investment property.
They have become even better friends now....strange that.
 
Yes, we can certainly relate to this tech/a
Fortunately we managed to help a few of our friends overcome the fear of buying their first investment property.
They have become even better friends now....strange that.
Sounds like something straight out of a Jamie McIntyre course.
 
The Brisbane market is looking stronger than I first thought.

I can't believe some of the stories I'm hearing from agents and investors at the moment. I guess I will be skeptical till I get two valuations done myself in the next few months, signs are very positive for me though.

A broker who deals with quite a few HNW individuals was mentioning to me late last year how his W.A clients were bringing their equity over to bayside Brisbane and even Sydney (shock horror). Great call that has turned out to be for Brisbane.

I have done research in my suburbs going back to government grants of farming land and the original subdivision of farming land into residential lots. I'm aware of historical precedent and how property is expensive by the standards of the past, more so than most investors I would say.

Also I was told by a prominent financial educationalist last year that 'now was not the time to be buying -ve geared property' and I know a fellow investor who recently sold his entire portfolio as he didn't see property going anywhere for a long time. This really piqued my interest, and I recently decided to chop into my trading account to buy two properties in Brisbane.

I would like to make a few points.

* You don't buy the whole property market. You buy an individual property. This means you can add instant value and reduce your risk with the use of research and a great purchase price, also sweat equity is a good way to reduce your risk exposure and get better tenants, it's still happening, even today in this mini boom we are having, and I venture it will continue to happen for the next 150 years much as it has for the last 150.

* Be aware of the game you are in. If you are buying property on ridiculous earning multiples then it's possible you are playing the greater fool game. There are plenty of other games to be playing though. I have bought on 20x (or less) earnings multiples, with very strong indications of a rocket under rental prices for some time to come, these properties are also 3's out of 10 on the scale and are rock solid renters for the future.

* Yes there will be a recession/depression, I wish I could place a bet on that! It will continue to have to be of ever greater magnitude to erase the nominal gains I have received over the last few years. Cash will once again be king, but at the moment it still sucks big time, please phone me when you see the changeover happening.

Stagnation rocks!
 
When I bought my properties many friends labelled me as "Stupid".
I've sold a few since and building now---I'm evidently still "Stupid"

Stupid is comfortable so happy to remain and continue on my stupid way.
It's considered a great contrarian compliment by me.

I was looking at a blue chip suburb of the future in SEQ in January, at the moment it's still considered 'Boganville' by most however, a clear case of attitudes lagging reality as I'm convinced this suburb will outperform for the next 10 years or so until attitudes catch up. I was told 'buy there.. and we will never visit you!' by a family member who incidentally never visited me when I lived at Mermaid Waters on the Gold Coast.. (go figure)... and 'You can't buy there... that's a terrible area' which convinced me I was spot on with my analysis.. But I chose somewhere else that is 'On the wrong side of the tracks' according to my Dad (A dad who loved Bond Corp, Quintex and Ariadne) thanks Dad!

Of course sometimes people will call you stupid and they will be right
 
Oh Puuullleeeeeeze!!!

An economic decision to not buy RE is not necessarily fear FFS!


True its not.
But I'm sure there are many who are not making an economic decision even though they could well be in the position to make one that wouldnt involve the paralising fear of risk which obviously the majority on this thread appear to have.

An economic decision not to buy R/E as a blanket decision IE---period--- or until prices fall---- I would say IS fear based.

Those with blinkers on are in my view not capable of making a balanced economic decision.

A personal decision based upon whatever--- entirely different.
 
Of course sometimes people will call you stupid and they will be right.

They will always be right---its their perception.

I'm often wrong---thats my perception.
 
That's a lot of assumptions based on zero information. Therefore the blinkers appear to someplace other than you imagined.
 
Or is this the real story about what's really going on???

 
hello,

remember the title:

house prices to stagnate for "years"

you can pull up what ever crap you like about affordability issues, unethical lending practices, government should do this or that

i would love to live in a 100sqM apartment in Paris too, think someone should help me out?

i think its very evident that prices are not stagnant, around 18mths, their must be another article from the FSU (financial sense university) for the weekend

thankyou

robots
 
Remarkably, 100sqM in Paris would cost less than 100sqM in Sydney.

4 beds with a few acres cheaper in Bordeaux than Gerladton.

I know where my weekend getaway will be. Baguette anyone?
 
When I bought my properties many friends labelled me as "Stupid".
I've sold a few since and building now---I'm evidently still "Stupid"

Stupid is comfortable so happy to remain and continue on my stupid way.

Buying the Lotto or entering into a game of russian roulette with a sixshot pistol can make people heaps of money - but calling the participants fools BEFORE the result is known is rational.

Eventual winners look very smart for the dumb; but most intelligent people can establish that a winner of either game is lucky but not smart.

We should never confuse luck and smarts.

And who gives a **** what your friends thought?

I would assume that 80%+ of most people's 'friends' wouldnt know what makes for a good investment anyway. Many (in any investment environment) would say rubbish like, "my uncle lost money on stocks/property/options etc count me out"

We need to look forward not backward

Idiots who bet on lotto, pokies etc are not smart. If they win - their success is due to randomness and not shrewd investment.

Buying an illiquid, indivisible, undiversified asset with a 2% gross yield and 90% leverage is not good finance - regardless of previous results.

Why rent assets to bogans for 2% return when you can sell Iron/Copper/Oil to the Chinese for enormous returns on equity?

BTW: I firmly believe that many good property assets still exist but they represent about 4% of stock.
 
Remarkably, 100sqM in Paris would cost less than 100sqM in Sydney.

I think that's a bit of a porkie their wayne,

22sqM, yes 22sqM in suburb of paris (400K aussie) not talking the champs here, good area though

thankyou

robots
 
4 beds with a few acres cheaper in Bordeaux than Gerladton.

Not 5 years ago, isn't that the point?, and the correct spelling is Geraldton.

Property dosent have the same returns as the market's presented the last few years, no argument thier.

Like wise its reasonable to asume those that have speculated in recent times on both........ have simply spread the risk of investments.

Those that continually speculate without real liquidity conversion, are akin to the house odds at the casino .
 
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