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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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Atomic5 said:
You'll probably be driving to Denmark on the weekend with the rest of them for the cheaper booze and end up partaking in drunken "how stupid are the Swedes" jokes by the Danish

i digress.....

And here I was expecting a comment about Swedish vrs Danish beer
 
wayneL said:

From the article:

"If the trend continues this year, it would be the first reversal in the Irish property market for more than a decade."

In a way I wonder if quoting a 10% drop in Ireland isn't a little bit like worrying about a 9% drop in the Shanghai exchange. Their markets have been so ridiculously out of control for so long now that it could just be a bit of downside volatility while the market takes a slight breather (that was terrible positive spin wasn't it ?? lol)

They suffer from the problem of having the ECB setting their rates. Whilst their economy and r/e market has been redlining for years the ECB has had to set rates in accordance with what other larger EU member states require. Imagine having 20% average annual house price rises for 10 years and interest rates down at 3% because Germany has issues?!
 
numbercruncher said:
But I still maintain my original statement, that _most_ Melbourne buyers would be looking currently at a paper loss if they bought a year ago and sold right now.

I reckon that you could include a large portion of Sydney buyers to this list. Sydney is in a really delicate stage right now in that small pockets in the "richer" suburbs (eg North Shore) can still show reasonable price appreciation, whereas other areas are really getting hammered. It just goes to show how people in different areas react to the 3 interest rises that we had recently, obviously affecting some much more than others.

Sydney is fast becoming a city of "haves" and "have-nots" with the divide growing larger by the day.
 
Good article in todays SMH about the Housing boom Illusion and a Good chance of another Interest rate rise in as soon as two weeks.


We're at the point of experiencing the downside of the housing boom. Many home owners have been most gratified to see the value of their home at least double over the Howard Government's 11-year term.

What started as a way to get rich quick has been transformed into a way to bleed slowly. More may decide to cut their losses and sell. It's likely that a lot of the mortgagee sales we're hearing about are of investment properties.

Boom Over


Happy Property Investing Folks
 
The vast majority of mortgagee sales are instigated by non-conforming lenders (ie Bluestone, Liberty) and smaller boutique lenders. Basically 15% of the lending market is providing 85% of the mortgagee sales, so if you qualify for a traditional mortgage the chances of a major default are actually fairly remote - especially when you consider the vast majoity of UCCC protected lending that does default is due to marriage/relationship breakdown.
 
hello,

gee another conspiracy to keep house prices up with the US reserve bank keeping interest rates on hold

rubbish

but wayne says the inflation genie is out of the bottle

save hard , get a property

thankyou

robots
 
robots said:
hello,

gee another conspiracy to keep house prices up with the US reserve bank keeping interest rates on hold

rubbish

but wayne says the inflation genie is out of the bottle

save hard , get a property

thankyou

robots

The fed is caught beteen a rock and a hard place. Inflation is rising, but the economy is slowing. Holding interest rates or even lowering will take out the USD... it is already in trouble.

RBA next move is up.

BOE next move is up.

Oh, and house prices are crashing in the US... coming to a town near you

The Fed statement, revised for reality - from Barry Ritholtz
 
hello,

Up to 2.2 million American's could loose their homes due to predatory lending in an over-inflated property market.

Rubbish.

Buying overpriced property at the top of a boom is always a good idea.

Save hard, buy at the top of the boom, loose your hard earned savings, your house, and ruin your credit rating for the rest of your life.

thankyou

Kimosabi
 
hello,

prices havent dropped in Aus for "quality" property, but increased

people have been buying well, people with the dollars

solid as in capital cities, go for walk around see whats happening instead of reading the media

so easy picking the top of the boom!!, you will regret it if sitting waiting

thankyou

robots
 
Ramp

:sleeping:
 
Hello,

To be able to afford to buy Quality property. Inflation will have to be contributed to by Increasing Fees charged to clients.

Due to everyone increasing prices to be able to afford to pay for Over-Inflated Assets, Interest Rates will be forced to RISE, eventually forcing the Over-Leveraged (Greedy and/or Stupid) to sell or the bank to foreclose on them.

Credit Crunch is coming to a bank near you. Due to banks tightening lending standards, fewer will be able to borrow money to buy over-priced assets, thus prices will have to come down.

Look at what is happening in US. "AUSTRALIA" will be next, has already started to happen in NSW, Victoria. This is only the beginning. As soon as commoditieis boom end, this will spread to the rest of Australia, dragging NSW and Victoria even lower.

An example of what will happen in Australia from our silly friends in the USA.

"For condominiums, the price fell 31 percent from $356,600 to $247,600 and the number of sales fell 24 percent from 195 to 149."

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070323/BUSINESS/70323051/1075

Australian Housing prices were 50% over-valued in 2005.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/plann...ugh-for-a-while/2005/07/09/1120704594565.html

When the demand for commodities drops off, unemployment will increase, causing many to loose homes.

Commodities BOOM is the only thing that has kept Australia out of recession in last 3-4 years.

Open eyes, property busts are beginning to happen everywhere there have been booms.

What happened to Japan will happen to US, UK and Australia. Has already started in US.



People with the BANKS dollars have not been buying well. Over-Leveraging on Over-Priced assets is not a good investment.

Get positioned now to pick up Bargains in the Bust. Save hard now, make sure credit rating is 100%. Some Aussie Banks are already increasing lending standards NOW. Borrowing money will be much harder during Bust.

The bigger the boom, the bigger the Bust will be.

You will regret buying at the top of a boom...

Thankyou



Kimosabibots
 
hello,

and you where one who ploughed all your dollars into the stock market in 2000 and 2001,

thankyou

robots
 
Kimosabi said:
Due to everyone increasing prices to be able to afford to pay for Over-Inflated Assets, Interest Rates will be forced to RISE

Don't forget because Over-Inflated Residential 'Sure Things'(TM) has gone up 160% in the last decade and rents have only gone up in line with inflation (~50%), then now want to increase rents to fix the low yield problem. It is estimated rents will rise 20% this year. Many landlords have already increased rents by a flat 20.00%.

You you look at the weightings used to calculate inflation, Rents make up one of the largest proportions of the CPI - they contribute 5.22% to the overall index. If rents rise 20%, you can work out the rest, and guess at how many interest rate rises there will be to correct it.


Note : 'Sure Things' = houses. They always go up - it's a sure thing.
 
Hello,

Reality is a cruel Mistress...

Houses cheaper than cars in Detroit

"We were sent an article yesterday from Yahoo! News detailing the levels to which housing prices in Detroit have fallen, and they have fallen very far indeed. Apparently last week, a Texas auction firm was commissioned to sell off a number of homes there. The prices were unbelievably cheap, with 'house after house [selling] for less than the $29,000 that it costs to buy the average new car.' The auctioneer became so exercised that he enjoined the audience with the simple statement that 'Folks, the ground underneath the house goes with it. You do know that, right?' Several houses that went by the boards sold for less than $10,000... some even for less than $7,000. As one participant said, 'You cannot even buy a good used car for that!'


"Sadly, these 'bargains' are not only in seedy, run-down depressed portion of the city. We read where a house in Bloomfield Hills, an area of the city we've been to several times in the past two years and is really very, very nice indeed, which had been listed for $525,000 sold for $130,000! Five years ago, at $525,000 the house was a bargain; at $130,000 it is even 'bargain-er.' However, when nice, tidy, small houses begin to sell for less than the price of a nice, tidy, used car, either cars are expensive or houses are inexpensive... or both. Now, how do we do the arb?"

http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/article.asp?id=mwo032307

Thankyou


Kimosabibots
 
I suspect that's true and I've long been expecting that to happen at some point. But do you have any firm evidence that major lenders are tightening credit right now?

Are they just increasing the minimum quality of borrower they will lend to or are they actually reducing the amount that will be lent to high quality (less than 80% loan to value, full time employed, clean credit history) borrowers?
 

ANZ has started tightening their lending standards, and have also increased their loan loss provision.


ANZ appears to be one of the more responsible banks.

The problem with being a ROBOT is that you have no concept of reality...

Thankyou

Kimosabibots
 
The Real Estate Institute of WA has reported the number of homes in the market has ballooned to almost 13,000 mid Feb, twice the number of the same time last year. Initial assessment by REIWA reveals that total house sales has dropped by some 40% below March 2006 and 33% below March 2005 respectively.

Add that rates could also be on the rise. Interesting times ahead.

 
hello,

wow a .75% increase last year, and "maybe" a .25 increase coming up

gee that will knock things over wayne, but there already knocked over aren't they?

things have already collapsed going by this thread

thankyou

robots
 
hello,

wow a .75% increase last year, and "maybe" a .25 increase coming up

gee that will knock things over wayne, but there already knocked over aren't they?

things have already collapsed going by this thread

thankyou

robots
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