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tyson similar to you but own my own home.
Agree with most you have said but perhaps one.
You can specialise in Property/Business and or equities and excel beyond the "Norm"
Often as has been my case with property this becomes a business in itself quite separate from my core business--Civil Construction.
But agree balance is best.
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I have stratergies that I can use to make money in just about any property market whether it be up down or sideways, so saying people won't make money in property is just plain wrong. The problem is when most people bag property investment they are only thinking of the "buy and hold" stratergy.
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Looks like it could be a done deal. "The Law of Unintended Consequences" comes to mind.Nationalisation??? WTF!?!
Treasury lines up new Rock boss
Northern Rock branch
Northern Rock is inching closer to being nationalised.
The Treasury has recruited the former boss of Lloyd's insurance market, Ron Sandler, to lead Northern Rock, should the troubled bank be nationalised.
A decision could be taken within days, says BBC business editor Robert Peston.
According to bankers close to the Rock, the Treasury has a fully developed plan to own and manage the bank, should a commercial solution be impossible.
Mr Sandler is widely regarded as having restored confidence in Lloyd's after its years in financial disarray.
The BBC has learned that Mr Sandler would become executive chairman of Northern Rock in the event that the troubled bank is fully nationalised.
The former boss of Lloyd's of London is well known to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and worked for the Treasury in developing the so-called stakeholder pension and investment products that were intended to help those on lower incomes save for retirement.
Shareholder meeting
The coming week will be a crucial one for Northern Rock.
On Tuesday, shareholders will attempt to restrict the ability of the company's board to sell assets without seeking their permission.
Their action in calling an extraordinary general meeting to vote for shackling management is regarded by the Treasury as potentially hostile to the interests of taxpayers.
Taxpayers are exposed to the Rock to the tune of £55bn through direct loans made by the Bank of England and guarantees to other lenders made by the Treasury.
A decision will also be taken imminently by the Treasury on whether to pursue a proposal by the investment bank Goldman Sachs to convert up to £15bn of the taxpayer loan into bonds, for sale to international investors.
If that proposal to raise new finance for the Rock flops, it is likely to undermine attempts to organise a commercial rescue of the Rock by either a consortium led by Virgin or by the Olivant Group.
Chancellor Alistair Darling says his priority is to secure repayment of taxpayers' money.
On Thursday at the Treasury Select Committee, the chancellor made it clear that nationalisation remains a very live option.
Hi Tysonboss1,
I'd be interested in hearing a bit more about this- what kind of strategies are out there that allow you to profit from a declining, or stagnant property market
Is there some secret way of shorting a house
I'd say good luck on this one.a second option and my preferred option is to sell a property on a "vendor finance agreement" also known as a "Wrap" this is where you sell a house to someone who might not otherwise beable to get a loan(suchas selfemployed or exbankrupt) But instead of them getting a loan from the bank they buy the house from you and pay you in weekly instalments at an interest rate of 1.75% more then you are paying to the bank, so I might buy a house for $200,000 then sell it to the client for $225,000, I pay 8% interest to the bank the client pays 9.75% to me, so in effect I become more like a financer than a land lord, an rates, maintance etc is the clients responsibity so my main profit comes from the interest margin and the sale profit,
Let's compare any of the major banks with wrappers.
First, a bank. If a home is worth $300,000 and the loan is $200,000, the borrowers have $100,000 in equity. If they default on the payments, the bank will sell the home and the equity is given to the borrowers. In this example, the borrowers receive $100,000. They get to keep the equity.
Now, let's look at a wrap loan. If the borrowers default, the wrap sharks snatch the equity and give the borrowers nothing. In the above example, it's the wrappers who receive the $100,000 in equity. That's the exact opposite to a bank.
I'd say good luck on this one.
Who in their right mind would want deal with people whom the bank won't lend money. (doesn't this say something) Sub-prime?
1.75% of 200k is $3500, then pay tax and its less than $2000. Chicken feed.
Why would you want the hassle of chasing payments, loan administration, legal documents, searching for houses, stamp duty, transaction costs, trying to find the right buyer and not to mention all your time in this.
I love Jenman he has some good stuff and some god awful stuff.
Firstly the Wrappor comes to a deal with the Wrappee at time of contract for a predetermined sale price at a date in the future--usually 3 yrs.
This can be a 2 way street for BOTH parties.
Lets take the $200K home. Lets say the agreed price is $266K or a 10% Compounding GUARANTEED increase on the Wrappors $200k purchase with a guaranteed buyer.Sure he gets a premium on the property interest rate.The Wrappor has stamp duty to consider so his profit is eroded somewhat.
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Tech
If the Wrapper goes BK and assets repossessed, the wrappee loses their home and ALL their equity through no fault of their own. Not an acceptable risk IMO and it is not generally recognized.
Don't tell me it hasn't happened... it has.
If wrappers could somehow overcome this risk to the buyer, it would be a great product for those who need/want it.
NB Wrap/LO whatever.
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PS Interesting that some folks attempt to sully NJ for wanting to make a buck from what he does, yet it's quite OK for them to make a buck in any way they think fit... monumental hypocrisy IMO.
Tysonn,
Have you actually put these strategies into play or is it something you are considering doing?
If youve already done it, did it all go to plan?
Cheers.
You can write what actions are to be taken in the event of a default into the wrap contract,.... you can also protect these deals inside investment structures as you would any other investment.
My mate has only ever had one wrappee default on the loan, he re sold the property under a new wrap aggreement within 2 months and paid out the previous wrapper that had defaulted $35,000 because in the 2 years the property had increased.
Neil Jenman will always spread horror stories of "EVIL" property dealers ripping off the little guy,.... but the truth of the matter is wrap deals are a fantastic opportunity for some people to buy there family home and get off the rent treadmill.
Wrap deals is one of the oldest ways to finance property,... most of sydney was sold under wrap contracts in the early days.
I'm talking about the "WRAPPER" going broke. As the house title is not in the wrappee's name, they lose the house and all equity.
Can you explain how this works? How does the wrappee end up with equite?As I said you can protect the deals inside trust/ company structures to provide atleast some insulation.
But if the wrapper goes broke and the bank sells the house the bank can only take the money owed to them,... any equity left over will be passed onto the wrappee...
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