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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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Good heavens, toothfairy, if we can't do better in the sharemarket than in a term deposit, then I guess, no, we should not in fact be in the sharemarket!
 


I don’t want it to make sound trivial, but not knowing exact number of defaults; report looks deliberately making it sound bad.
We instantly feel that 50% is a big jump, but if it is jump from 200 to 300 on 500,000 loans, despite being traumatic for people involved, it is relatively small percentage of total number loans.

Does anybody know the numbers behind percentages to have better perspective?
 
Looking for numbers, but this may help ...


http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22202830-462,00.html
 
i dont think that the defaults are a wide spread problem rather just pockets, i would imagine there are very few defaults in port headland :
 
Its pretty hard to find this info, as there is no like national register, maybe intentionally ?

heres some info though, seems to point to the default rate rising this year since my last post showed to dec 06.

The total Australian "prime" loan book of $169 billion in securitised mortgages had a technical default rate of 0.5 per cent in June.

so that points to 850m in default in the "prime" mortgage market.

But sems much worse as a percentage in "subprime" (lowdoc etc)


http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/allcos-mobius-has-highest-default-rate/2007/10/03/1191091194051.html?s_cid=rss_business

So using these figures defaults look set to skyrocket again in relation to the 12 months to last december.

They really need to introduce some transparency or national database with these figures, would be an interesting insight to the health of things.
 

Check Box B of the Sept 2007 Financial Stability Review from the RBA:

http://www.rba.gov.au/PublicationsA...p2007/Pdf/financial_stability_review_0907.pdf

0.4% of securitised prime loans are more than 90 days in arrears. The trend appears to be in line with interest rates. However, between 0.3% and 0.4% of loans were more than 90 days in arrears back in 1997 (what was the standard variable rate back then?). Otherwise it is broadly unchanged from 2006 after increasing in 04 and 05.

Close to 1% of low doc loans are more than 90 days in arrears.
Over 6% of non-conforming loans are more than 90 days in arrears.

Interestingly, over 0.6% of loans are 90 days in arrears in NSW compared with less than 0.4% in other states.

5368 application by banks for possession of residential properties in NSW in 2006, equivalent to 0.23% of private dwellings. This is up from a bit over 3000 applications in 2004.

The Fairfield/Liverpool region in Sydney tops the number of applications for possession in 2006 at close to 0.5% of properties. Northern Beaches is lowest at a bit under 0.1%.

From the text:

And some good news (averaged out):

Even
allowing for the increase in interest
payments, real disposable income
averaged across all households has
grown at an average annual rate
of 2 per cent over the past decade,
 
why would they skyrocket in oz our market is completely different.

Low doc loans are not "subprime" most of the people on these loans are on good money its just they work for themselves or own their own business. Lending standards in oz have been much harder than in the US.

Plus there are no adjustable rate morgages, such there are honeymoon periods etc but not like the US where your rate goes from 6 % to 10 % overnight !

another thing is that there are alot of loans in the US where the morgagee doesn't have liability for the home if they foreclose they can just hand over the keys to the house and walk away they dont actually owe the difference between the loan and the potential sale value of the house.
 
plus the % we are talking about here are tiny compared to the figures in the US. double didgit declines in value. MILLIONS of homes in inventory to sell. More jobs been lost than created, their wages are stagnant while ours grow.
 
plus the % we are talking about here are tiny compared to the figures in the US. double didgit declines in value. MILLIONS of homes in inventory to sell. More jobs been lost than created, their wages are stagnant while ours grow.

Just make yourself aware that we are in the midst of a great credit and resource boom and unemployment rate has been all time low.

We shouldn't EVEN be expecting such unusually high defaults on mortgage and with signs on more and more people are facing serious financial stress.

I wouldn't bet that our housing market will not be affected by the credit crisis or any decline in growth from either the US or China exporting less due to demand drop from the US.
 
Good heavens, toothfairy, if we can't do better in the sharemarket than in a term deposit, then I guess, no, we should not in fact be in the sharemarket!
I was just being funny and having a go at people who worries about interest rates too much. I have plenty of shares, even buy them on borrowed money.
 
Im glad to see this thread is atleast starting to recognise that a problem exists that needs attention asap
 


Not sure about that, I went in for a low doc loan and they were throwing money at me...all I needed to show was a bank deposit and last years tax statement....the fact that I hadn't worked in the last 6 months was never looked at....and they were throwing some pretty big money towards me
 
It should be the right of every Australian to be able to afford a house.

And just about every Australian can afford a house,... Just not in a capital city,

Look at any of the major capital cities in the world,..... they have all become unaffordable at some stage,.... do you think the average family can afford a 1/4 acre block with a 4 bedroom house on it in londan, new york, tokyo or paris.

It is completely normal as cities grow that they will become unaffordable firstly to the low incomes then medium incomes and so on until they get to the stage that even rents are unaffordable and rent control legislation must come in.
 

What do you mean?
 
What do you mean?

I mean it is a completely normal that houses prices in capital cities will increase to a levels where the average person can not afford to buy a home and is destined to be a life long renter,

This has happened in all the cities I listed in my post above,.... the reason is there is simply not enough land,...

yes there used to be a time when even a low income earner could buy a 1/4 acre block with a 4 bedroom house in the suburbs, but this days are over,... low income earner would probally stuggle to even rent a house like this in sydney, and that is normal.

Australian capital cities are getting to the size now where they are unaffordable and there is absouloutly nothing that can be done about it except reduce the population.

even if you halved interest rates,... returned all government land to develpers,.... developed the national parks,.... you would only delay the process by a few years.

If owning a family home is a big thing then people should move away from the capital cities.
 

Why would you want to live in a big city? they serve no purpose
 
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