WaySolid
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It's a funny game of ping pong to watch Robots, it's like you and your opponents have great technique and style but are playing on different tableshello,
great that people can highlight all the NOISE that surrounds RE, but NC find me 10 blue chip properties that have decreased in value, you will come up with nothing
even the apartments in docklands that people bought of the plan are thriving
and in 5-yrs time in the US the same will happen
82% clearance rate in Melb yesterday, with some 360 more auctions than this time last year
goodluck
thankyou
robots
Thought I would include monthly changes in Brisbane house prices since this thread was started. Total increase of 20.95%, you add the yield you would be getting as an investor on top of this like a fine sauce on a dish to create an excellent meal.
Residex House Trading Data for Brisbane since September 05. Monthly changes
This is more or less closely tracking the sales data I have go back 100+ years in terms of nominal appreciation.
hello,
article out today by ABS and others showing housing is not meeting demand,
looks like things are going well for existing RE still,
anybody spotted any bears running for cover again,
gearing up for the weekend action
thankyou
robots
HOUSING SHORTAGE?
Read an article today stating that according to recent statistics there are currently 7.5 million unoccupied dwellings in Australia being made up of holiday homes, city pads and second homes. That is enough dwellings to house the entire Australian population at just under 3 people per house. Stated that if just 3% of them came on to the market it would solve existing demand. Those numbers seem incredible to me although I know my mate has 4 houses and at moment his family only living in 1 with others vacant, not my idea of financial sense. I have confidence in article source but can't help wondering whether he's misread those stats. Any housing stat gurus out there clarify this.? If correct, surely would mean downward pressure on future house prices in event of eventual economic downturn.
Why Real Estate a Consumer Item, Not an Investment
We keep saying: housing is not an investment; it’s a consumer item. Here comes an old friend with new evidence:
“The idea that housing doesn’t go down turns on its head when you actually calculate in the real-world costs of interest, taxes, insurance, etc. For instance, before those costs are counted, it looks like 16 out of the 17 top real estate markets in the 1990s were in the black. Once you add them in, however, it turns out that not one of the top property markets went up. They were all negative.
“In the 2000s, up to May 2007, you get something similar…three markets that, in unrealistic terms supposedly shot up 18%, 33%, and 36% during that period, are all actually net losers…down 10.5%, 13.4%, and 28.2%. As in negative. The gains were phantom stats from the fantasy world of no-cost property ownership.
“Running through the rest of the list, the other major markets did still make money. But instead of the astounding triple-digit gains property owners love to point to as proof that this bubble was the real deal, you find out that only two of the markets – net of costs – actually crossed the 100%-gain mark (instead of 10 markets). And annualised, only two markets were even a little above 10% gains in property values.
“Not bad, but not a miracle by any stretch.
“Two more of those top markets just barely squeaked past the annualised 8.5% gains in the S&P 500 for the same period. All the rest of the top 17 markets looked at in this article did worse than the S&P. During what was supposed to be the biggest property boom of all time.
“Again, this isn’t to say there wasn’t a bubble. Just that it truly was an event completely devoid of sanity.”
Bill Bonner
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/real-estate-a-consumer-item/2007/10/26/
I find that hard to believe too.5% yield?
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