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hello,

great news with Glenn Stevens from RBA having a few words today,

life is just great, the day of easy credit "maybe" back in town many will cry

thankyou

robots

I wouldn't bet on it Robots.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/the-asian-banks/2008/07/16/

The Asian Banks Have Finally Been Heard From

By Dan Denning • July 16th, 2008



The Asian banks have finally been heard from. So far, all the woe and wailing from the credit crisis has come from Europe and North America. But there are some pretty big banks in Japan, too. And yesterday, three of them confessed that they owned a combined $45 billion in debt securities issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Mitsubishi UFJ, Mizuho Financial, and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial all fell by about five percent in Tokyo trading as investors digested the unwelcome news. Japan’s Nikkei newspaper reported that Mitsubishi has nearly US$31 billion in GSE bonds, while Mizuho has US$11.3 in exposure and Mitsui US$1.9 billion.
Still no word from the Aussie banks...or the managed funds...or the hedge funds...or the pension plans...or the insurance companies...on whether or how much GSE debt they may own. Tick...tick...tick.
“We need to be more cautious in examining this matter,” said Yoshimi Watanabe, head of Japan’s Financial Services Agency. That would be a good idea. Japanese investors, like so many other investors around the planet, have treated GSE debt as de-facto sovereign debt. And we all know that sovereign debt (debt sold by governments) never defaults, right?
Well, it shouldn’t default. After all, governments collect their revenues at gunpoint. You can go to jail if you don’t pay your taxes. So in theory, it should always be possible for a government to pay interest on its bonds. In theory.
In practice, irresponsible management of a nation’s finances happens a lot more often than you might think. When the Russian government defaulted on its sovereign debt in 1998, it caught out poor John Meriwether and his team of Nobel-prize winning economists at Long-Term Capital Management.
LTCM’s model predicted that interest rate spreads between long-term and short-term debt would converge. The model did not include a contingency for the default of sovereign bonds. The model blew up and Alan Greenspan arranged a bailout of US$3.5 billion, which seems like a quaint amount in light of the GSE debt outstanding (US$6 trillion).
Incidentally, Bear Stearns refused to participate in the Greenspan plan and demanded its money back from LTCM, earning it the enmity of its partners on the Street...who probably took a little pleasure in Bear’s March demise. Bear refused to help out a brother, and got very little help when its fortunes changed.
Is it rumour mongering to suggest the GSE’s could default? Well, it depends on who you ask. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission has moved to halt naked short selling of Fannie and Freddie. An analyst named David Trone, who says the financials are now victims of unscrupulous speculators and rumors, approves.
Trone says, “Since it's impossible to police false rumours, the next best option for protecting fragile financial institutions is to halt short-selling for a time being.” Trone also said that poor old Lehman Brothers is also a victim of false and nasty rumours and that its CEO Richard Fuld should take the bank private to protect it from speculators. Maybe someone should quit spreading rumours that Lehman, Fannie, and Freddie are adequately capitalised.
You have to love the audacity of saying that the current financial crisis is due to rumours and speculation. It proves that lying is not so hard after all. You just have to do it with conviction.
You have to be either an imbecile or a liar to suggest that Lehman’s troubles stem from rumour mongering. Where do Lehman’s troubles come from? Poor risk management, enormous Level Three assets, and its willingness to take risks with shareholder equity and bet on the subprime market.
You didn’t hear anyone on Wall Street complaining about shareholders when their incentive programs included generous stock options. Now that the market is holding them accountable for what they’ve done with shareholder capital, the drawbacks of being public clearly outweigh the benefits. Plus, when a stock is crashing, what good are stock options anyway? Now that there is shareholder profit to plunder, the people running the company seem a lot less willing to have shareholders.
Investment banks exist to make investment bankers rich. Let us not forget that Wall Street is in the business of selling you new investment products. The more the better.
 
LOL agrees with chops , yeah pass it here so we can view the journey to 12.5% plus with a lil humour at least ........

Hey how about buying into US properties?

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105400/Top-U.S.-Real-Estate-Markets-for-Investment

Rahul Reddy, a dentist from Perth, Australia, has been investing in commercial properties in Western Australia for the last two years. Now, with the Australian dollar growing in strength and the American housing market strained, he's got his eye on residential and commercial properties in Florida and California, areas he believes will recover over the long term.

He's not alone. Encouraged by a weak dollar and a belief in the resiliency of the U.S. economy, individuals like Reddy, along with institutional investors such as pension funds and private equity groups, are seeking investment properties and development opportunities in the United States.

Their markets of choice include New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Seattle and San Francisco.

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• In Pictures: Top U.S. Housing Markets for Investment

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"The U.S. is good for speculative higher-risk investments from our perspective because the strong Australian dollar will enable us to gain hold of properties at prices we will probably not see for a long time," says Reddy. "The U.S. is an economic powerhouse that I think will recover, and if the exchange rate goes back to figures from a few years ago, that will benefit us."

Key word there: Risk. With every passing month, a few pieces of conventional wisdom fall by the wayside. The July news that Manhattan sales prices dipped by 3.1%, according to New York appraisal firm Miller Samuel, pierced the logic that Manhattan holds unique status as a bulletproof market.

Still, international cash is flowing to cities from coast-to-coast as international buyers see plenty of opportunities.

Behind the Numbers

Based on the results of this year's Association of Foreign Investors in Real Estate survey, the U.S. is the top nation for international real estate dollars, even as interest in Asian markets like India and China continues to rise and the U.S. economy slows. AFIRE, a member organization of international investors with $700 billion in cross-border holdings, expects that investment in the U.S. to increase by 16% from last year's $230 billion mark.

New York holds the top spot, but not because of the much celebrated pied-à-terre buyers in Manhattan using the weak dollar to buy into pricey neighborhoods, a trend that has flattened out, says Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel, a New York appraisal firm. Instead, opportunities in office buildings and multi-family residences--whole apartment buildings, not individual units--are the most alluring to overseas investors.

But even with the strong euro and pound, tightness in credit markets has made buying more difficult, an especially problematic hurdle in costly cities like New York and San Francisco.

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"Big deals requiring large amounts of structured debt have taken a big hit," says Francois Ortalo-Magne, an associate professor of real estate and urban land economics at the University of Wisconsin Graaskamp Center for Real Estate. "Obviously, there are more such deals in the largest cities than in second-tier American markets."

Still, European buyers particularly see the U.S. as a better value in 2008 than they did last year.

"In 2007, the European investors were looking at the U.S. and were a bit reluctant to make a move because the uncertainty was making them pause," says Karin Shewer, principal of Real Estate Capital Partners, an investment group in New York. "And the dollar, of course, makes a difference. The general sentiment is that the dollar will become stronger in the near term, so people are starting to buy here more opportunistically."

Shewer notes that European and Asian investors favor markets along the coasts, whether that's Boston and New York or Seattle and Los Angeles. While there's still strong interest in cities such as Phoenix and Orlando, Fla., fading local economies hampered by bad mortgages and a slowdown in consumer spending and job growth have lead to decreased foreign investment, according to AFIRE research.

"There's not blood on the streets, but there are pressure points in the marketplace," says Shewer. Even so, she says, "there's a lot of interest from the equity investor in participating."

Top 5 U.S. Real Estate Markets for Investment

1. New York City
2. Washington, D.C.
3. Los Angeles, Calif.
4. San Francisco, Calif.
5. Seattle, Wash.

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Why I could buy 3 US homes for the price of one average Australian home.. :D Maybe California, or New York, that's nice and cheap. Cheaper than Sydney.
 
Thankyou for that . have actually looked into the US markets a little already but shyed away as prefer to have my investments/assets closer to hand , give it another 2 to 5 years anyways and the austaralian property market will start to look attractive again , again thanks , food for thought for those with intrests/contacts and comfortable with investing in the good ole usa
 
hello,

http://business.theage.com.au/business/household-riches-at-record-levels-20080716-3gdr.html

like the second last sentence,

"held up by robust property prices",

thankyou

robots

Now you are feeding us on advertisements. It is nothing more than a property ramp. In fact it only talks figures till the end of March. We all know that the turn in property did not start to bite till after that point and will not be reflected till the next quarter figures come for the period ending June 08.

I have grown to like you old pal for your sheer dogged persistance and determination. But it is clear that you in some way represent the real estate industry.

In my view all who have enjoyed this thread in the past desist from posting anymore which is only feeding self interest and is missleading in my view to the extreme from some quarters.
 
The Daily Reckoning...hmmm...why am I not surprised...like the boy calling wolf that lot.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of them.

Addison Wiggin of the Daily Reckoning wrote a book in 2005 called "The demise of the dollar".

The book is very interesting in that he predicted the credit crunch (and subsequent fallout), which started only a year later.
 
The Daily Reckoning...hmmm...why am I not surprised...like the boy calling wolf that lot.

A little bit off topic, but just wondering theasxgorilla, have you subscribed to their daily newsletter? They are all interesting read and I wouldn't dismiss them so quickly. They may sound all gloom and doom, but it sound all economic realism to me.

explod said:
ow you are feeding us on advertisements. It is nothing more than a property ramp. In fact it only talks figures till the end of March. We all know that the turn in property did not start to bite till after that point and will not be reflected till the next quarter figures come for the period ending June 08.

I have grown to like you old pal for your sheer dogged persistance and determination. But it is clear that you in some way represent the real estate industry.

In my view all who have enjoyed this thread in the past desist from posting anymore which is only feeding self interest and is missleading in my view to the extreme from some quarters.

Forget it Explod, I've given up already. :) I'm starting to admire his persistance and determination to ignore the facts and stick to his believes. Human psychological bias at its limit. Amazing stuff really.
 
hello,

now lets see:

mass unemployment, wrong jobless rate down

all prop smashed, wrong see Donald Trump

thankyou

robots
 
hello,

http://www.theage.com.au/news/people/don-comes-up-trumps/2008/07/17/1216163014155.html

wow, what happened to "prestige" getting walloped or all of US being walloped,

41m into 100m, man you talk about me giving it up,

more great news

thankyou

robots

GREAT use of an example there! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

A prestige mansion owned by a famous US politican now selling it for a profit of 59 million! WOOT! The bull market is still in, everyone buy now! I need to earn my $59 million too!

sigh.....................
 
hello,

i know great example Temjin, fantastic

another tick in the box for the guys putting in the hard yards at ASF, giving everyone the word

thankyou

robots
 
A little bit off topic, but just wondering theasxgorilla, have you subscribed to their daily newsletter? They are all interesting read and I wouldn't dismiss them so quickly. They may sound all gloom and doom, but it sound all economic realism to me.

Dude I've been reading them for years. The problem is that economic reality isn't, period. The reality of the economic and financial world is a long way away from classical economic sensibility. They're trying to apply such things to a reality made up of smoke, and mirrors, and derivatives and other such financial alchemy.
 
Now you are feeding us on advertisements.

I wonder what newspapers and their articles are a vehicle for in the end? There has been more than a fair share of bearish articles dumped into this thread.
 
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