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All I said was they deserve to live and breath air just like you and me, they are human beings after all.
All I said was they deserve to live and breath air just like you and me, they are human beings after all.
How many do we get a year 7000?, 10000? Now picture that as a NRL or AFL crowd. Hardly a invasion, give me a break.
So were the Mongol hordes, the Nazis, The Imperialist Japanese, the Huns and 101 other unwelcome visitors.
We all support the concept of a fair go, but we have the right to protect our culture, our society, our people and our way of life from undesirable people and influences. This means filtering out the type of people we don't want and restricting numbers to ensure assimilation rather than the cultural conflicts happening in other western countries.
I don't think the issue is one of racism as much as resentment of people who are not 'playing by the rules', and (understandably, given the woeful policies of this government) think of Australia as a sure passport to a cushy life. Doesn't matter their skin colour or country of origin.Reading this thread actually makes me think I'm racist.
And $%# it - I probably am. Glad to be too.
It all seems fine and dandy when these people sail in on our taxpayer dollars, camp out at Villawood etc on more of our dollars, damage and destruct property that our dollars paid for, and basically act like selfish #$!%$#!# who don't get their own way when they are locked up. Yep - these sound like sane/reasonable people to be let in to this country. To add injury to insult we have to pay for courts so lefty lunatic lawyers can defend this people.
You know what the real kicker is - people say that 'Wogs' & Asians immigrated here - they sure did - and they worked really really hard - farming/small business etc etc - they worked.
They didn't come here - 9/10 sit on welfare - run riots in Sydney - basically act like thugs and try and implement their own 'religious law' on to an already well established country. If you tried to enter their borders I guarantee it would be a fast turnaround/horrible jail conditions until it's lights out for you.
Yep...I'm a racist
As has already been pointed out, the Greeks, Italians, Vietnamese came with skills and a strong work ethic, rather than being motivated by a life on the public purse.
You know it really 5#1ts me when people intentionally twist the argument.Wow just like the Nazi's you say.
This will be my last comment on this thread but I think the real question is, what are our politicians doing to us while we are distracted by this bull$%&@ issue?
You know it really 5#1ts me when people intentionally twist the argument.
Biologically, yes the Nazis were most certainly human, philosophical arguments aside. Robusta you know my point was not to equate refugees with Nazis, but to point out that membership of the human species does not confer entitlement to enter one or another country, as the global political landscape stands.
The concept of Nationhood puts a whole lot of constraints on who may or may not enter. Those constraints are presumably for the benefit of residents of that country and, as long as those constraints are constructed and administered fairly, we should not be ashamed of that.
Well... that is a whole 'nuther bowl of wax.
And that is only part of the picture. This week we have seen a chunk of the overseas aid budget being diverted to pay for accommodating the asylum seekers arriving by boat in the community. This deprives massively disadvantaged parts of Africa, e.g., of immensely useful agricultural assistance and other aid.If I were languishing in a refugee camp in Africa, Thailand etc I would bitterly resent that my family was being kept in such dire straits due to those who could afford either monetarily or geographically to "jump the queue".
What DocK said.
I'll freely admit to being a fence sitter. If I put myself in the position of those concerned:
If I could pay a people smuggler and enter a country through the back door, but doing so would give my family a chance at a life of opportunity, safety and security rather than endless poverty and/or persecution with little or no chance of an improvement in our circumstances - I'd probably do it, esp for the sake of my children, but....
If I were languishing in a refugee camp in Africa, Thailand etc I would bitterly resent that my family was being kept in such dire straits due to those who could afford either monetarily or geographically to "jump the queue".
Once people have arrived at our borders, albeit by unsanctioned methods, it pains me to see children locked away and treated like criminals.
I can see the sense in discouraging further people from circumventing the system and risking their lives on boats, by making the outcome appear as unattractive as possible. If they know they won't be able to get a job and send money home for the rest of their family to pay another smuggler, perhaps they won't take the risk themselves. The dilemma of knowing who is a genuine refugee or who is an undesirable criminal we definately wouldn't want in our society is a real one and some form of processing is absolutely necessary.
It's just a dreadful situation with no easy answer imo, and I'm sure there are many like me who can see that logically the harsher the treatment dished out should result in fewer and fewer boats, but who humanely struggle with the pain this type of treatment inflicts on fellow human beings, most of whom are simply trying to improve their miserable existence and could be valued members of our society if given the chance.
As a country we have the right to protect our borders and decide who we wish to "invite in", and in what number, but...
As human beings and citizens of the world is it right to turn our backs on those in need? What if we were in their place?
Too hard for me.
+1.That is what we have governments for mate.
To make those hard decisions.
The present mob are lacking.
The current version of Labor cannot be trusted with anything full bloody stop.ALP cannot be trusted with Borders or Refugees from the North.
Hey doc,I had an interesting chat with a young Dutch backpacker, while watching the Nullabor glide by on the Indian Pacific.
She said Belgium is in such a bad state, they are talking of splitting it between France and Holland.
That would send alarm bells around the world.
I don't know how much fact it was based on. However it is obviously an issue for a young backpacker to be suggesting it in a general conversation.
COME ONE, COME ALL (by Bunyip)
Come one come all
You’re welcome here
To share our great south land
Howard kept you from our shores
But Kevin took a stand
"We cannot shun these folk” he said
“Who share the Aussie dream
We’ll throw our borders open wide
We’ll scrap the Howard scheme”
So Rudd and Swan and Gillard too
A trio starry-eyed
Aglow with altruistic zeal
They threw our borders wide
Come one come all
The message was
You’re welcome in our land
If you are down upon your luck
We’ll lend a helping hand
Bring your wives and kids along
Your aunts and uncles too
We’ll feed and clothe you, give you cash
A comfy house for you
And if you cannot speak our tongue
Or have no working skills
No problem – leave it all to us
We’ll shoulder all your bills
So come they did – a trickle first
That soon became a flood
A massive ALP mistake
Rudd’s policy a dud
And so at last with Kevin gone
And Julia in charge
She said with worried frown to Swan
“This problem’s rather large
We’re getting swamped by all these boats
Solutions are not easy
We should have stuck with Howard’s plan
Let’s talk to Albanese
He’s not the brightest lad, and yet
He might know what to do”
But Albo told them “Sorry guys
I’m clueless just like you
We just can’t seem to stop these boats
But maybe experts can
We should appoint a bunch of them
To formulate a plan”
The ‘experts’ drafted up a plan
Designed to stem the flood
Of boats upon our northern shores
Brought on by Rudd the dud
With strong support from Jules and Swan
And Albanese too
A useless bunch of dithering clowns
Who didn’t have a clue
The invasion keeps on coming
There isn’t any doubt
The boats keep pouring in
While our cash keeps pouring out
To feed and clothe and house them
To train them in new skills
And all the while they play us for
A bunch of bloody dills
There clearly is a lesson here
That’s plain for all to see
If you want decent government
Then don't vote ALP
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