Do a google search for "Australian health care reform" and you will find many papers, articles and submissions on the subject going back over a decade...this isn't rushed or new to the majority of the health industry, just surprising in that a Fed Govt has the guts to try and do something positive about it.
Health reform is a little like tax reform and emission's trading/global warming in that the right side of the Australian political spectrum don't know much about it and are somewhat surprised its on the Labor party agenda...that's what a decade in the Howard wilderness will get ya.
The Howard Govt buried all these issues preferring to put them in the politicly 'to hard basket' and move on to issues closer to there heart..immigration discrimination, industrial relations reform, introduction of a GST and supporting Hanson and the far loony right as a distraction from there own gutless, do nothing agenda.
Howard's greatest achievement was probably the Firearms law reform as it required political guts, just like Rudd's health reform also requires political guts, because success will be fairly easy and quick to measure...the ASF right should be all for this reform as its a huge political risk for Labor and could easily be the issue that sinks them in the election after next...if they get it wrong.
Now please don't come back and tell me it's all Howard's fault, because you and I know it is, and always has been, a state resposibilty. The GST was to be the provider and was sufficient at the time, but unfortuneatly it is now not enough to cover the increase in costs of health care and one of the solutions is to increase the GST to 12.5%. But I can't see Mr. Rudd having the fortitude to do it.
Really the 1st part of reforming the health system is having a secure funding method, you might notice states are only talking about money and the method of funding not new beds etc.
Sure. But are we supposed to take on trust that juggling the funding around with smoke and mirrors tricks will translate into shorter waiting lists for hospital beds and elective surgery, and will it improve conditions in the wards for patients, doctors and nurses?
Billions have been thrown at the hospital system. Keneally says that NSW spends over a third of the GST on health now. The money just disappears into a bottomless pit of bureaucratic waste.
We have already seen that of the billions poured in the BER and home insulation, a large percentage of it disappears in graft, waste, lack of control and gross mismanagement.
Are you satisfied that the Commonwealth bureaucrats will get it right this time and give us an efficient hospital system?
And that's my point..Rudd and Labor are going out on a limb that the Liberals & Nationals just weren't interested in, way to much political risk for them....takes real guts and visionary thinking to do what Labor is doing...if they can pull this off they could Govern for more than a decade and by then the NBN will be kicking in along with the Tax reform to come out of the Henry review out this month.
This could just be a game changing, visionary point in Australia's political, social and development history...looking big picture: what's Abbott and the Coalition hierarchy doing to win this coming election? all there offering is opposition, there outa ideas.
Sure. But are we supposed to take on trust that juggling the funding around with smoke and mirrors tricks will translate into shorter waiting lists for hospital beds and elective surgery, and will it improve conditions in the wards for patients, doctors and nurses?
Billions have been thrown at the hospital system. Keneally says that NSW spends over a third of the GST on health now. The money just disappears into a bottomless pit of bureaucratic waste.
We have already seen that of the billions poured in the BER and home insulation, a large percentage of it disappears in graft, waste, lack of control and gross mismanagement.
Are you satisfied that the Commonwealth bureaucrats will get it right this time and give us an efficient hospital system?
I'm pleased you said 'IF' they can pull it off. You don't sound very confident about your spin doctor leader old mate.
I'm a realist (unlike so many ASFers)...and this its health reform and political bravery on a major scale, and Rudd has ownership of it so will get the kudos if it goes well and the blame if it fails.
Now Cynical, the Victorian Labor Premier John Brumby has already found a $1.6 billion hole in Rudd's costing. He is going to recycle 30% of the states GST in which 3 states are reluctant to give up.
Beacuse Rudd let 9 months pass from his due date of July 2009 for a complete take over of the hospital system, he was pushed into doing something in 6 weeks on the back of an envelope with very little detail. He has bullied the states ie. if you don't agree with me I (Rudd) will take it to a referendum. As I said before, he does not have to go to a referendum because he has the constitutional power to take over the whole system. So why does he not do what he said he would do pre 2007 election. I thought you said he is a political brave man on a large scale!!!!! You know the old saying " no guts, no glory". He is afraid to do a complete take over because he does not have any confidence in being able to do it. He would sooner pretend he is doing something by recycling the GST. He now has an out to blame the states if it all falls flat.
Do you know how it is all going to work or will it be like Anna Bligh says, "we'll work our way through it all as we go". That's the reason why these Labor people get themselves in such a fix.
Everyone wants health reform, but it must be implimented with good planning and strong debate. If Rudd is going to be PIG HEADED about it, he will fail, full stop.
Now Cynical, the Victorian Labor Premier John Brumby has already found a $1.6 billion hole in Rudd's costing. He is going to recycle 30% of the states GST in which 3 states are reluctant to give up.
Beacuse Rudd let 9 months pass from his due date of July 2009 for a complete take over of the hospital system, he was pushed into doing something in 6 weeks on the back of an envelope with very little detail. He has bullied the states ie. if you don't agree with me I (Rudd) will take it to a referendum. As I said before, he does not have to go to a referendum because he has the constitutional power to take over the whole system. So why does he not do what he said he would do pre 2007 election. I thought you said he is a political brave man on a large scale!!!!! You know the old saying " no guts, no glory". He is afraid to do a complete take over because he does not have any confidence in being able to do it. He would sooner pretend he is doing something by recycling the GST. He now has an out to blame the states if it all falls flat.
Do you know how it is all going to work or will it be like Anna Bligh says, "we'll work our way through it all as we go". That's the reason why these Labor people get themselves in such a fix.
Everyone wants health reform, but it must be implimented with good planning and strong debate. If Rudd is going to be PIG HEADED about it, he will fail, full stop.
If the health care professionals are so au fait with what you suggest have been ongoing discussions, why are front line people like Professor Dwyer and Dr Deeble (the architect of Medicare) making their disapprobation so crystal clear? They have both indicated that what has been suggested will be at best counter-productive.Do a google search for "Australian health care reform" and you will find many papers, articles and submissions on the subject going back over a decade...this isn't rushed or new to the majority of the health industry, just surprising in that a Fed Govt has the guts to try and do something positive about it.
What absolute nonsense.Health reform is a little like tax reform and emission's trading/global warming in that the right side of the Australian political spectrum don't know much about it and are somewhat surprised its on the Labor party agenda...that's what a decade in the Howard wilderness will get ya.
I don't think that's fair, IFocus. I'd be more than happy to accord appreciation to Rudd & Co. if it genuinely appeared the proposed 'reforms' were actually going to achieve any improvement in either patient care or healthcare staff stress. Being unhappy with suggested policy from one side does not automatically translate into support for the other side, for heaven's sake!Agree, to me looks more like Liberal Party members pushing the party line with the hate message. I say this simply because of the absence of any balance in the comments.
I'm still waiting for you to explain the exact nature of these reforms and how they are going to benefit Australians?I'm a realist (unlike so many ASFers)...and this its health reform and political bravery on a major scale, and Rudd has ownership of it so will get the kudos if it goes well and the blame if it fails.
Since you and IFocus are obviously keen to see all the States sign up, then you should have no problem in explaining to the rest of us just what they will be signing up for, and why I or any other voter should be supporting whatever is planned.
The sheer political naivety displayed by some people on this forum is absolutely stunning.
Without having a snipe at who is right and who is left, it comes down to the question set up by the Neilson poll today which indicated an average of 60% of the Australian population, including me, want health reform. The question was:-
"Do you want health reform".
Of course we all want health reform, but that poll does not necessarily give Kevin Rudd the right to think the citizens of Australia support his ideas about the way he wants to go about it.
The Premiers are going into the COAG meeting this morning not knowing how their 30% GST contribution will be distrbuted. There does not seem to be any detail to his so called plan. Even Cynical and IFocus can't seem to answer Julia's questions.
Most of the states say they can't wait for reform untill 2014 and even Rann from SA wants it to start in 2010/2011.
..but hang on, maybe its simply that some people are just not used to a PM having balls and sticking his neck out, PM's are supposed to....deny everything with political risk and appeal to the lowest common denominator.
I'm still waiting for you to explain the exact nature of these reforms and how they are going to benefit Australians?
Also, why is there so much urgency to have the States sign up?
Why is Rudd unprepared to release the Henry Tax Review before the States sign up to his health 'reforms'?
These are very reasonable questions, and do not mark me or anyone else asking them as 'anti government' because of being either an opposition supporter or simply a Rudd hater, as you and others have observed.
Since you and IFocus are obviously keen to see all the States sign up, then you should have no problem in explaining to the rest of us just what they will be signing up for, and why I or any other voter should be supporting whatever is planned.
If my understanding that what has been clearly suggested so far is a shifting of proportions of funding paid by the States and the Feds, and an assurance that this will result in better care for emergency departments, aged care, and elective surgery (note: no mention of mental health or dental care???) is incorrect, then I'm very happy to be corrected and to be informed about how Australian consumers of the health system will be better off.
And please don't ignore these questions a second time, while continuing to criticise those who are not falling over themselves with admiration for anything from the Rudd Design Corporation.
So Cynical, your post here in no way answers my questions. I can only assume you have no idea how the 'reforms' will actually benefit patients or staff, and that you are simply babbling your unthinking admiration of Mr Rudd without having a clue what he's actually suggesting.The sheer political naivety displayed by some people on this forum is absolutely stunning.
Absolutely stunning...but hang on, maybe its simply that some people are just not used to a PM having balls and sticking his neck out, PM's are supposed to be meek and mild, go jogging on a Sunday morning, respect the status quo and take no political risks....deny everything with political risk and appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Health Reform: Where is it heading? LOL..its heading where the elected Govt decides to take it, that's what happens when you win elections...you get to decide stuff.
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