You had to feel for Marcia Langton on ABC TV's Q&A panel this week, stuck between two men so terminally pompous, out of touch and in love with the sound of their own voices you felt at times they might fall stiffly off their chairs and writhe on the ground in private ecstasy.
Malcolm Fraser and Peter Carey, fresh from the Sydney Writers' Festival, are the sorts of self-styled intellectuals who give thinking a bad name.
Only the two women on the panel, Langton, professor of Australian indigenous studies at the University of Melbourne, and the American author Lionel Shriver who is visiting from London, sounded halfway reasonable. But they barely got a word in over Carey, Fraser and John Ralston Saul, the Canadian philosopher whose great insight into education was the hoary old chestnut that class sizes should be smaller.