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explod
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Having a perusal of the thread this morning, the "Gold Price Where is it Heading", I noticed that out of the last nine posts, eight where off topic and involved questions on how best to invest in bullion.

At this stage I will not post a view but let the thread develope, in the hope that it may fill the need of a growing number of ASF members seeking the right answers in acquiring exposure to the steadily rising prices of gold and silver.

I have held bullion for some years as part of my investment portfolio.

cheers explod
 
From Sinclair's Minesite


Rumours have circulated some time on the real amount of gold in various storages. The ASX listed GOLD has from memory its bullion stored in the UK. There is no reason to doubt this one, in fact I have traded it, but for me, in the hand takes all the possible risk away.
 
Hehe there always has to be 1 nation that gives it a go.

Although i agree with what this guy is saying in terms of the people should have known due to the weight, the problem is most people that are handling the gold actually have no idea on what the weight is supposed to be as they are amazed at the actual bullion itself.

I have seen many many fake bullion bars over the yrs and they have become very very clever also.

1 ounce gold bars from ABC that came up anywhere from not gold to 95%.

Usually they make a alloy which includes zinc and or nickel mixed with a smaller amount of gold, copper etc... so when you cut it open you still see the gold tinge. Then they thick plate (usually electroplate) and stamp it.

The zinc and nickel weigh alot which in turn substitutes the supposedly weight for gold.

Without a machine i use to test gold i would never ever have known. (Acid tests and scrap tests are a waste due to they only tell you whats on the surface but not inside).

To give you another example i had a customer come over yesterday showing me some silver jewellery which is supposed to be .925 silver which means (92.5% silver) but when i tested it it actually showed mainly copper and zinc and 2% silver (plated). He bought 3kgs and they were all stamped .925.

Buyer beware
 
Another common rip-off is gold coins especially American Eagles. There are plenty of counterfeits in the market and it is actually made out of REAL gold.

The Eagle is worth more than the gold content because it is also a collectable item. Counterfeiters have produced these coins with real gold to take advantage of the margin between the value of the gold and the collectable value.

For example the gold content may be worth $1,000 but the coin is selling for $1500 thus the counterfeiter makes a $500 profit.

Gold sovereigns also fall into this category but is less common. The South African and Canadian Maple also attract it's fair share of scams and counterfeits.

The counterfeits are very well made and it takes an expert to tell the difference. Well, where there is money you will find plenty of crooks.
 
Interesting last post. It's made me more aware as I've been looking at gold bullion myself.

So for what I understand coin may not be as safe as it sounds.

Would actual bars be a better choice?

I have heard jewellery can be poor?

Comments?
 

The difference between bullion and jewellery is that bullion will fetch near the spot (less the spread) and jewellery would be sold as scrap (much below spot).

If the intent is for investment/hedging only then bullion and/or coins would be the go.
 

By Emma Wall, 17th December


Compliments of the season to all

explod
 
I went to Knox Shopping Centre today and had a great time. While the missus was browsing the "bargains" I came across a gold buying market stall.

They handed me a brochure that states:

1. Bring any item of GOLD to one of our locations.
2. Our "Consultants" will test and value your gold items.
3. We will give you CASH (it really was in bigger font by the way) on the spot (and yes that part was also in bold)

It's so simple!

To find your nearest location phone 1300 344 044
or
visit goldbuyersaustralia.com.au

I asked them how much for pure 24K 1 or 5 troy ounce ingots and they responded. WE PAY HALF!

I was offered $600 Aus for an ounce.

They really are dreaming!

Finally, can anyone on ASF provide me with an ASX code of any companies connected with this mob so I can profit from this piece-of-cake wealth creating machine?
 

Do you have any source to suggest there have been counterfeits?
 
Suggestion that central banks/governments may move to control gold to back currencies:-

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/4/14_Jim_Rickards.html

Very interesting interview explod. Never heard of Jim Rickards before but the more and more im listening to him the more and more i find he knows his ****. Very good credentials indeed.

The best i heard was "people say there isnt enough gold to back the money supply which is nonsense. Take gold to $5000 p/o and all of a sudden you now have a gold backed system"

Another good interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7TF8q0T18

His take on china and other central banks trying to increase their gold holdings could be another reason the price is bound to move higher.
 
For me, Silver Coins and Gold Coins are safe and basic to put money into. And also they are easy to be traded and stored with stable security. But I think pawn shop and Gold parties are not the good places to deal with.
 
GOLD-27 April 2010

Bullish Head&Shoulders with goal around $ 1230
 

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So I was surprised to see that the Perth Mint charges a 2% buy fee on all purchases under $50k. I was only planning on buying a few small bars and I wonder if its worth it now. Say you buy $5k worth, thats $175 to buy and store it for the first year, another $75 to store there each year after. If gold went sideways for 5 years that's almost $500 in fees, gone. I obviously think it'll go up, but just thought I'd discuss as I fill out the application forms and such. Any thoughts? Is a <50k investment considered too small or not?
 

Size is up to your investment criteria, but for me I store it in my own personal bank vault. Heard too many stories (although Perth Mint should be differeent one would think) about the physical not being in place to back all the paper holdings.

Nothing like the peace of mind in having it in the hand so to speak. Could be worth a p/m to Ageo who often posts on this thread for his views.
 
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