Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

[OzWaveGuy]

Canberra's minimum last night was 1.6 degrees.

It was like a winter's night. I had some guests over and I almost considered putting the heating on.

 

[Smurf1976]

It was like a winter's night. I had some guests over and I almost considered putting the heating on.

Cold here in Tas too and I did actually have the heating on. It was 30 degrees a few days earlier though and it's forecast to get up to 29 next week.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Canberra's minimum last night was 1.6 degrees.

It was like a winter's night. I had some guests over and I almost considered putting the heating on.

It's all over red rover.

Could someone start an "end of global warming and the greatest hoax" thread, so that we can all celebrate.

Al Gore has been conspicuously silent, then he has made his millions already from the dopey bastards who believed him.

And that's not to mention the neutrino.

gg

 

[Knobby22]

It's all over red rover.

Al Gore he has made his millions.

gg

Did he short insurance shares?

Weather disasters all over the world . Obvious thing to do.

 

[wayneL]

Weather disasters all over the world .

As it always has done and always will

 

[macca]

Cold here in Tas too and I did actually have the heating on. It was 30 degrees a few days earlier though and it's forecast to get up to 29 next week.

I know it is hot over in the west but Gee, I would like at least one week of summer before autumn arrives

<Taralga (1.1 °), Canberra (1.6 °), Katoomba (4.2 °) and Parkes (6.8 °) all recorded their lowest January temperatures in more than 50 years.>

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/new-south-wales-endures-coolest-january-day-in-28-years/19994

 

[pixel]

To those 10% who refuse to believe in Science, here is a bit of empirical evidence:

For the past several years, we've had a desktop thermometer that displays the temperature inside and outside. It also keeps min and max of both. The outside temperature is collected by a sensor and transmitted at regular intervals in the wifi GHz range.

This afternoon, our outside temperature sensor got fried. When I put the indoor unit on the pergola table, it went up to 47.7 degrees C. Obviously a new heat record.

FACE the FACTS, Mr Abbott! Or face the consequences! As a self-proclaimed Christian, you should be concerned about the afterlife. Think about the camel squeezing through the eye of a needle. And then think about the questions you may be asked at the Pearly Gates. "Oh, you were convinced it's all a natural cycle. Here, take the lift down. It's all very natural down there too..."

 

[Tisme]

As a self-proclaimed Christian, you should be concerned about the afterlife. Think about the camel squeezing through the eye of a needle. And then think about the questions you may be asked at the Pearly Gates. "Oh, you were convinced it's all a natural cycle. Here, take the lift down. It's all very natural down there too..."

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah the only thing is that as a devote Christian nature and God are one in the same so turning up the heat is divine intervention.

 

[macca]

Without full global cooperation from Every nation then anything we do here is completely futile.

Every time we force a business to manufacture overseas through extra costs, we make the situation worse. Our factories are much "cleaner" than the vast majority overseas, witness the often published photos of Chinese and Indian cities, the more they make the worse it gets.

In the Southern Hemisphere nature uses more Co2 than is produced, we actually need Co2 from the Northern Hemisphere or we a have a natural disaster on our hands.

IMO pollution is a far more pressing problem and it is sooooo obvious, why does everyone ignore the obvious, beats me

 

[pixel]

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah the only thing is that as a devote Christian nature and God are one in the same so turning up the heat is divine intervention.

okay, okay, if you believe that:where do I send my compensation claim for malicious damage to my outdoor sensor?
To the GG as legal representative of the Head of Anglican Church?
To the Pope as the Catholic shop front of their God?
The Chief Rabbi or Pharisee that acts on behalf of Eli?
Any of the Imams or Muftis that assure us it's All Allah's Will?

Methinks there ought to be a course "How to Run a Universe, 101" and all the above ought to attend.

 

[Smurf1976]

Every time we force a business to manufacture overseas through extra costs, we make the situation worse. Our factories are much "cleaner" than the vast majority overseas, witness the often published photos of Chinese and Indian cities, the more they make the worse it gets.

+1

Two examples, Newcastle NSW and Burnie Tas.

We stopped pollution from the Newcastle steel works very effectively. Newcastle no longer has a steel works. It does, however, have among the biggest coal export ports in the world. Instead of using the coal locally and reasonably cleanly, now we just ship it overseas (more pollution from the ships) for someone else to burn.

We stopped the once infamous pollution at Burnie too. No more brown foam rolling up the beach and acrid water, no more sulphuric acid raining down on everything, no more plumes of white smoke billowing into the air, no more brightly coloured water and everything else coloured white from a different factory just around the bend either. But that's not because production became cleaner, hell no, it's because Burnie no longer has any major factories. They're gone, the whole lot. Gone. Where Tioxide once stood is now an abandoned field. The acid plant has long since given way to a freight depot on the site. And there's a new Bunnings store, selling mostly imported goods, on part of the site where "the pulp" used to be. The most endangered thing in Burnie these days isn't nature, it's full time employment.

Only today I came across an old TV. Seems to seems to work as such but useless now that the analogue signal is switched off. Reading the label on the back tells the story - "Made in Australia" it says. The factory was in Adelaide I think (not certain on that point, think it was there), long gone now of course along with just about every other factory we ever had.

All we've really done is clean up the backyard by throwing the rubbish over the fence and leaving the neighbours to deal with it. It hasn't gone as such, just been moved.

 

[sptrawler]

+1

Two examples, Newcastle NSW and Burnie Tas.

We stopped pollution from the Newcastle steel works very effectively. Newcastle no longer has a steel works. It does, however, have among the biggest coal export ports in the world. Instead of using the coal locally and reasonably cleanly, now we just ship it overseas (more pollution from the ships) for someone else to burn.

We stopped the once infamous pollution at Burnie too. No more brown foam rolling up the beach and acrid water, no more sulphuric acid raining down on everything, no more plumes of white smoke billowing into the air, no more brightly coloured water and everything else coloured white from a different factory just around the bend either. But that's not because production became cleaner, hell no, it's because Burnie no longer has any major factories. They're gone, the whole lot. Gone. Where Tioxide once stood is now an abandoned field. The acid plant has long since given way to a freight depot on the site. And there's a new Bunnings store, selling mostly imported goods, on part of the site where "the pulp" used to be. The most endangered thing in Burnie these days isn't nature, it's full time employment.

Only today I came across an old TV. Seems to seems to work as such but useless now that the analogue signal is switched off. Reading the label on the back tells the story - "Made in Australia" it says. The factory was in Adelaide I think (not certain on that point, think it was there), long gone now of course along with just about every other factory we ever had.

All we've really done is clean up the backyard by throwing the rubbish over the fence and leaving the neighbours to deal with it. It hasn't gone as such, just been moved.

Yes and now the neighbors have lost their jobs, it is going to be a whole lot harder to support the needy.

Absolute stupidity, wish someone could legislate that politicians pensions weren't Government guaranteed.

I feel nauseous when I think of what has been done, in recent history, our political standard has fallen to appalling levels.
IMO It has gone the way of education, it is a job for perks, rather than a career of calling.

Why can't politicians, put Australia, before themselves?

My first rant of the year.

 

[orr]

I've stumbled upon the 'Abbott Government - Industry and Employment, How Valid? How Serious?'

The above few posts concluded; not very.

Steven Chu's Address to the National press club a couple of weeks back conflates this threads title and concerns noted here.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-10/national-press-club-dr-steven-chu/5958136

 

[SirRumpole]

Labor, Greens pressure Tony Abbott to act on climate change as 2014 named hottest year on record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...bbott-as-2014-named-hottest-on-record/6023162

 

[moXJO]

Labor, Greens pressure Tony Abbott to act on climate change as 2014 named hottest year on record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...bbott-as-2014-named-hottest-on-record/6023162

Unless Abbott engineers a disease that wipes out 3/4 of the population then its all just bs pandering with little effect globally. Bigger nations need to act in unison.

If we were taxed and the money stayed in Australia to shore up defenses against future
climate change in preparedness of a worsening outcome, I wouldn't mind as much.

But as for the circle jerking carbon tax they had in, no thanks.

 

[Julia]

Unless Abbott engineers a disease that wipes out 3/4 of the population then its all just bs pandering with little effect globally. Bigger nations need to act in unison.

If we were taxed and the money stayed in Australia to shore up defenses against future
climate change in preparedness of a worsening outcome, I wouldn't mind as much.

But as for the circle jerking carbon tax they had in, no thanks.

+1.

 

[SirRumpole]

If we were taxed and the money stayed in Australia to shore up defenses against future
climate change in preparedness of a worsening outcome, I wouldn't mind as much.

Maybe the pink batt scheme, as poorly implemented as it was, was designed to do just that, insulate us against the increasing severe heatwaves.

 

[sydboy007]

FACE the FACTS, Mr Abbott! Or face the consequences! As a self-proclaimed Christian, you should be concerned about the afterlife. Think about the camel squeezing through the eye of a needle. And then think about the questions you may be asked at the Pearly Gates. "Oh, you were convinced it's all a natural cycle. Here, take the lift down. It's all very natural down there too..."

Abbott is similar to the Christian right in the US where they:

* Don't believe man could in any way harms God's creation
* Believe God gave man dominion over the planet to do with as we want
* Look forward to their blessed life with God after they shed their earthly body, so they don't really care what actually happens in this life time.

 

[sydboy007]

It's all over red rover.

Could someone start an "end of global warming and the greatest hoax" thread, so that we can all celebrate.

Al Gore has been conspicuously silent, then he has made his millions already from the dopey bastards who believed him.

And that's not to mention the neutrino.

gg

I suppose the actual facts shouldn't get in the way of a good conspiracy GG?

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/

 

[Smurf1976]

Maybe the pink batt scheme, as poorly implemented as it was, was designed to do just that, insulate us against the increasing severe heatwaves.

In principle, insulation makes a lot of sense for any building that is heated or cooled on a regular basis. No real argument there. Put it in once and, if done properly, you get an ongoing cost saving for the life of the building.

The trouble with the government's scheme is the same issue that I've referred to in various threads about the NBN, energy industry and other things.

In short, if you've got a heap of contractors running around unsupervised with taxpayers footing the bill then that's as close as you'll ever get to having an actual license to print money. It's not really a "private enterprise" when you're using taxpayer funds to run it, it's not even close since none of the usual checks and balances don't apply when the person receiving the product isn't directly paying a cent for it and may not be overly concerned about its' quality anyway (apart from low income earners and rentals, anyone else who actually wanted insulation would have installed it years ago).

Much the same happens with a lot of taxpayer funded work. It's fine when its' practical to check the quality, or for that matter that the job has been done at all, but that fails when we're talking about things hidden inside roofs (insulation) or underground (NBN).

What they should have done, in order to make it work, was to (1) allow only those businesses already involved with installing insulation at the time of the scheme's announcement to participate (2) allowed only the use of materials from an approved list to be used and (3) conducted random inspections of the work done with penalties applied where defective work is found and (4) spread the work over a reasonable time period of up to 5 years.

Such an arrangement would have got the job done by legitimate insulation contractors, using quality materials and without the disaster that resulted.

As for climate change, well I know this is weather not climate as such but I sure wouldn't mind a bit of warming around here right now. 14 degrees outside at the moment and blowing a gale. At least the sun's out but it's ridiculously cold for Summer. Another 10 degrees would be just nice.