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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%

  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%

  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%

  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%

  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%

  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Total voters
    153
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To add: Why is no world body concerned about the environmental impact of modern warfare? Splattering DU everywhere, spillage of Crude oil everywhere, possible nuclear fallout if the certifiably insane Medvedev and Bush (or however) start pushing red buttons.

what about habitat destruction so MacD's and Burger King can sell atrocious hamburgers to boguns?

etc etc etc

Real and measurable, but no money in it. :mad:
 
2020hindsight said:
be aware Pat that Julia is prepared to argue some strange positions -
even when Wayne agrees that he has changed his mind on this, Julia thinks he hasn't. :)
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Dear 2020,

I think you will hopefully have understood from Wayne's subsequent comments that once again you are mistaken in your interpretation.

May I please ask you, very politely, to read the posts on which you wish to comment properly before making more silly comments.

Thank you very much.

Julia
 
Julia said:
Dear 2020,

I think you will hopefully have understood from Wayne's subsequent comments that once again you are mistaken in your interpretation.

May I please ask you, very politely, to read the posts on which you wish to comment properly before making more silly comments.

Thank you very much.

Julia
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But Julia, how can 2020 argue these untenable positions of his without ignoring most of the facts? :):)
 
wayneL said:
Pat.

The exclusive focus on co2 means that all manner of other evils are ignored. I don't agree that co2 "solutions" will solve anything unless the focus is more holistic.

Nuclear power for instance opens up a whole new can of worms. Tidal power generation I read slows down the planet's rotation - This potentially could create real, measurable and devastating climate change in time.

The oceans are simultaneously being used as a tip and a food source; fishing methods are destrying the marine ecosystems. Potentially much more disastrous than anything to do with CC.

I could go on, but as ever, my position is that the IPCC is drawing attention and great mountains of cash away from "real" problems, to feed a noxious gravy train that is designed as a covert commercial endeavour.
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One solution is solar power... A real possibility. The way the world is changing we shall certainly have more than enough desert to make it so.
Tidal power? Seems to complicated like hydrogen engines.

Agree, a lot more money could be spent on other, more important things... Begs the question though, are the billions spent on the LHC reasonable? Should scientists stop studying/spending on investigating climate change?

Slowly but surely we'll get there... to an environmental utopia that is. IMO the 'slowly' part could be made a little if not a lot quicker.
 
wayneL said:
To add: Why is no world body concerned about the environmental impact of modern warfare? Splattering DU everywhere, spillage of Crude oil everywhere, possible nuclear fallout if the certifiably insane Medvedev and Bush (or however) start pushing red buttons.

what about habitat destruction so MacD's and Burger King can sell atrocious hamburgers to boguns?

etc etc etc

Real and measurable, but no money in it. :mad:
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Reminds me of the Hungry Jacks quad whopper :eek: ... Sheesh!!!
 
Pat said:
Julia, I thought this was a little strange, It's not like I'm Silas whipping myself, or mankind for that matter ;) But I get your point.
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Well, if you did get my point, Pat, then that means my metaphorical imagery worked. I'm so glad.:)
 
Pat said:
I think It's possible, maybe a startrek type future, where we can bring whales back from the past and such and such ;)
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Been out to sea lately? The whales are getting back to pest proportions. With global warming they wont have to swim so far to calve in the warmer waters.
The barrier reef will start to form off our coast in northern NSW as the water warms. The fishing should improve.
Bring it on. It's been too cold here this winter. The surf is bitterly cold today( that is why I'm still at this computer getting square eyes.)
 
nioka said:
Been out to sea lately? The whales are getting back to pest proportions. With global warming they wont have to swim so far to calve in the warmer waters.
The barrier reef will start to form off our coast in northern NSW as the water warms. The fishing should improve.
Bring it on. It's been too cold here this winter. The surf is bitterly cold today( that is why I'm still at this computer getting square eyes.)
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I love seeing whales when i'm out surfing, I've seen dolphins and penguins too, I live and surf on the Central Coast NSW. Couldn't believe my eye's when I saw the penguins... My brother in law couldn't either... Stoked was the terminology used :).
We don't get warmer waters around here till late december, so It's a springy till then, though I havent surfed since May last year. :(
Don't think my wet suits will fit anymore :eek:.
 
I've been reading the news linking meat to global warming. This has been a hot topic on the net in the past week, so I'm posting some links and ideas on these issues at a new page:

http://lowcarbclimatechange.blogspot.com/

(If you like, please take a look at the links posted there - but let's have a conversation here on this board!)

The UN is afraid of the implications of growing demand for meat, especially beef, in newly affluent development countries. But it seems to me they have it backward - we need to encourage high protein diets for good heath, in the developing world as well as at home. It is the rice production that may be responsible for more methane emissions - but no one talks about alternatives to rice as a means of mitigating climate change, just meat!

Please let me know what you think.

Thank you!
 
brianlc said:
I've been reading the news linking meat to global warming. This has been a hot topic on the net in the past week, so I'm posting some links and ideas on these issues at a new page:

http://lowcarbclimatechange.blogspot.com/

(If you like, please take a look at the links posted there - but let's have a conversation here on this board!)

The UN is afraid of the implications of growing demand for meat, especially beef, in newly affluent development countries. But it seems to me they have it backward - we need to encourage high protein diets for good heath, in the developing world as well as at home. It is the rice production that may be responsible for more methane emissions - but no one talks about alternatives to rice as a means of mitigating climate change, just meat!

Please let me know what you think.

Thank you!
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Could you provide some references for the claim that rice production may be responsible for more methane emissions?
 
Methane is a non-issue.

The real issue with meat production is land and resource use.

To feed a vego you need 400m2 of land per person.

To feed a meat eater you need 20,000m2 per person.
 
2020hindsight said:
Might have to ask you for a link there as well wayne
Are we talking about the same land - same rainfall etc ?
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Common sense. I can feed myself from my back garden and have done so in the past with very little bought in.

Just running 1 beast requires far more land.

But here's a link, scroll down past the methane nonsense. http://veg.ca/content/view/133/111/
 
wayneL said:
Common sense. I can feed myself from my back garden and have done so in the past with very little bought in.

Just running 1 beast requires far more land.
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fair enough I guess

they pack em into feed lots - but then where does the hay / grain come from.

Maybe you should put a small fishfarm at the bottom of that garden and be self sufficent wayne .

and throw in an egg ( 1 m^2 per person :eek:

maybe we should blackban BigMac/s - only get fishburgers (and live on the harvest of 3000 sq miles of ocean each ;) )
 

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