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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%
  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%
  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%
  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%
  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%

  • Total voters
    153
A classic example of what I don't like about the greens. We've got an outright crisis of national significance with energy in WA and all they're worried about is literally a bit of smoke from a power station that's quite some distance away from anyone.

Somehow I don't think all those who stand to lose jobs in everything from mining to tourism will share this concern. Nor will the 10%+ of WA businesses, that's all businesses not just mining and energy, that stand to close their doors completely.

And in any event, locals managed quite well from the mid-1960's until last year with it - a couple of extra months isn't going to hurt.

Oh well, it beats the usual nonsense claims of an energy surplus I suppose.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/13/2274017.htm
 
meanwhile, climate change messiah and general bullsh!t artist, Al Gore seems to be not overly concerned about consuming massive amounts of energy.

http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764

hypocrite of the highest order...

one can only assume he knows the garbage he talks and the hysteria he seeks to generate is based largely on questionable science..
 

Its not only that, I hate how they try and show the cliche pictures of a nuclear power station that is emmiting loads of "danger greenhouse smoke" into the atmosphere. When in actual fact the "smoke" that is pouring out is just steam (yes water that has just been heated up).

perfect example of this kind of ignorance is here
http://www.liberatefreedom.com/archive/2007/02/25/nuclear-power-is-not-the-answer/
 
(naked shorts: no argument from me on your post btw)

Just heard this on the radio..... How good is this kid
from 1992 - David Suzuki's lill girl, Severn - then a 12 year old, now an adult of course.


Herewith that speech .......
Since then she has graduated from Yale in ecology and evolutionary biology etc.

Severn Suzuki speaking at UN Earth Summit 1992

If you don't know how to fix it, then stop breaking it..

 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/11/2300650.htm
The Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has accused the Opposition of having a new position on an emissions trading scheme every 24 hours.

 
Andrew Bolt highlights the deleterious effect of AGW doom-mongering and cuts through the GW crap:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23991257-25717,00.html

An excellent article full of uncommon sense.


Is it all crap though, Wayne?

NEW evidence has emerged that a large plate of floating ice shelf attached to Antarctica is breaking up, in a troubling sign of global warming, the European Space Agency (ESA) said today. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24002707-5005961,00.html

Last night on the ABC's QandA program, I thought Andrew Bolt did himself and his fellow "skeptics" a great disservice. His smirking outburst about how "nothing is happening in Antarctica" took the cake for me. He might be eating humble pie today after this latest SCIENTIFIC evidence.....

The other point I'd like to make is that everyone seems to be hooked up on a GLOBAL WARMING theme. In fact, "climate change" that leads to massive polar melting (ie a gazillion new icebergs over time roaming towards the equatorial regions, to finally melt - that process now appears to be well and truly started) will likely mean coastal areas of northern Europe, Northern America, southern Australia and South America may well be plunged initially (in the short to medium term) into far more frigid local climates as local sea temperatures in these regions cool significantly with the sheer mass of melting sea ice.

Of course, one benefit will be that Dick Smith would eventually be able to tow an iceberg into Sydney Harbour to ease the fresh water crisis.... LOL

Eventually, when all the ice has gone one would expect the global rate of temperature rise to increase rather rapidly. Glad I won't be physically around in 200 years time..... It will be enough for my remaining molecules and atoms to endure.....!!


AJ
 

Well if it isn't, the property bulls have dropped dropped a clanger about waterfront properties in the RE thread. Maybe we can pick up some 50k beachfront blocks after all

On another front Anti AGW science is picking up some momentum over here... to the point that the pollies have had to modify their language from "when" to "if". Links as I run across them.
 
Is it all crap though, Wayne?

NEW evidence has emerged that a large plate of floating ice shelf attached to Antarctica is breaking up, in a troubling sign of global warming, the European Space Agency (ESA) said today.

well thats interesting. is it equally amazing and scary that the antarctic ice shelf has been breaking up from time to time every single year?

heres a few snippets of info that (unfortunately?) dont feed the hypists hunger for more doom and gloom stories:


http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020015034521data_trunc_sys.shtml

and

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/24/ice_shelf_collapse/

sorry to burst the bubble

Bolt is right, nothing is happening in antarctica.
 
crikey.com ? - they seem to be pretty well respected yes?

I mean cut through the bolt nonsense etc yes?


the graph shows area of arctic ice 1978 to 2007
the left map is Sept 2007,
the right map is Sept 2005

PS the arctic is, was, always has been predicted by the IPCC to be in a more dire predicament than the antarctic
 

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I so detest manipulative data mining.

Let us view the ice pack image from yesterday, already past summer soltice, and compare them to the same date ten years ago.

Crikey loses any semblance of credibility and respect.

One swallow does not a summer make 2020.

 
I'm seeing a very large increase in the number of people I meet who don't believe the whole thing. A year ago it was probably 99% acceptance, now I'd say that's down to maybe 50% and in freefall.

Why? Simply because the whole thing is being pushed just so hard right now which naturally makes most people suspicious. It's everywhere - you just can't live half a day without hearing about it somewhere.

Right or wrong, I think this issue is very close to burnout as far as the general public is concerned simply because there's so much hysteria surrounding it whilst so many claims of "proof of climate change" have turned to dust already.

The truth? I really don't know. But as far as action is concerned, the more the issue is ramped in the near term, the more certain I am that we'll do nothing about it in the long term. That's largely because the much hyped actions needed to meet the short term demands for emissions cuts preclude holding them down in the long term. They don't scale.
 
I so detest manipulative data mining.

Let us view the ice pack image from yesterday, already past summer soltice, and compare them to the same date ten years ago.
That clearly shows an increase in ice cover to my eyes...
 
Any photos from 1660?

gg

An excellent point gg.

The truth is we only have pictures going back to 1979... 29 years.

A statistically insignificant sample.

However if we had pictures from 1260, we might just be able to pick up the luxuriant green around the south coast of Greenland where the Vikings had farming communities and by logical extrapolation, a much smaller Arctic sea ice pack than today.
 
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