Population growth is critical. All this talk about over population and that we can't sustain higher populations is rubbish.
Here in AU especially, it's critical we lift the rate of population growth (via reproduction).
Kyoto? IF AGW is real.... pffft.... Too little, too late.
...And now you think that the world is not becoming overpopulated?
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The world is far from overpopulated..... quite the opposite in fact.
ferretThe world is far from overpopulated..... quite the opposite in fact.
ferret
forget the 7% of Aussies who agree with you on global warming ..
I'm guessing you're one of about 2% of the world's population who believe that .
ferret
forget the 7% of Aussies who agree with you on global warming ..
I'm guessing you're one of about 2% of the world's population who believe that .
I form my opinions on the basis of what I have read, researched and after considering the merits of all arguements.... not on whether other people agree with me or what the majority may or may not believe.
The "7% of aussies who agree with me on GW".... can you provide me with the details of where this "7%" figure comes from? Or did you just pull that number out of the air?
I'm having visions of 2020 furiously scouring the internet searching for any meaningful report, study or poll that mentions "7%".... lol
A new poll has found that 7 per cent of Australians still oppose Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's act to ratify the Kyoto protocol to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
The survey of 1,200 people found 64 per cent supported the move, but 29 per cent were still undecided.
Today Australia becomes an official member of the Kyoto club after the initial ratification documents were lodged with the United Nations 90 days ago.
John Connor from the Climate Institute says the poll also found that three-quarters of Australians think the Federal Government should take stronger action.
"The Government should be encouraged by these numbers to keep moving forward with even bolder and more decisive steps, if they really accept the argument of Professor Garnaut, for example, that Australia has more to lose than other developed countries in cutting greenhouse pollution," he said.
"There's emphatic support for Australian governments to lead."
ferretferret said:1. It takes a fool to accept as gospel anything that comes from groups with a known bias.
2. It's akin to believing studies commissioned by tobacco companies that say smoking isn't all that bad for your health. It's called vested interests....
Wayne, You say “science only” I disagree (that we should limit ourselves to chemistry etc) .Whenever I see that a small minority believe something in contrary to the masses, I want to know what they know that the masses don't.
Don't fall for the "Appeal to Widespread Belief" fallacy. Science only please.
Emissions trading 'could produce $20b windfall
By environment reporter Sarah Clarke
Posted 14 minutes ago
A new report says the Federal Government could reap up to $20 billion in new revenue under the national emissions trading scheme. – Monash University etc
Energy 'collapse' will force nuclear use, says expert
Posted Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:20pm AEDT
Updated Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:55pm AEDT
A professor of geology has warned there will be no option other than embracing nuclear power in Australia when other energy sources collapse.
Professor Ian Plimer from Adelaide University has addressed a uranium conference in Adelaide.
He says wind and solar power will not be viable to meet energy demands when the electricity grid eventually fails under extreme pressure.
"They are straining right now and a few more years of growth, a few more hot summers and a few more years of drought and eventually people will face the inevitable; that we need electricity and that electricity needs to be reliable," he said.
"And to get base load power we do not want to have coal generation; the only sensible and sustainable base load power is uranium.
"If people start dying in hospitals because there's no electricity, if people can't get water because there's no electricity to pump water from dams, if people can't keep their food cool because there's no electricity for refrigeration, then I think there'll be a very, very, very rapid change of opinion."
Professor Plimer has also argued at the conference that humans are not contributing to global warming.
Now getting back to talking more about chemistry and physics, I’m all for discussing E=mc^2 for starters
Heck, here's a bloke who (allegedly) has argued against man's contribution to global warming , and he STILL concudes we should be going nuclear ...
Incidentally, he also says "a few more hot summers and a few more years of drought and eventually people will face the inevitable" - implying he agrees that it's getting hotter.
I'm guessing he'd agree that going nuclear would cause a reduction in this last-mentioned effect. (why else would he say it)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/17/2191969.htm
Adelaide heatwave 'one in 3,000 yrs'
Posted Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:03pm AEDT
Updated Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:40pm AEDT
A climate model indicates that a 15-day heatwave in Adelaide, like one that has just ended, is only likely to happen once in 3,000 years.
The heatwave occurrence model has been created by atmospheric scientist Dr Warwick Grace.
To check its reliability, Dr Grace matched the model's projections with Adelaide weather records.
He hopes the model will help scientists predict the likelihood and duration of extreme heat.
"We will incorporate projections that have been provided in a more general sense from the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO and so then we will be able to say 'Well the expectation of heatwaves at certain length and intensity may or may not change'," he said.
Adelaide had 15 days of temperatures above 35 degrees Celsius, including 40.5 yesterday, setting a capital city record in Australia.
Today has been more than 10 degrees cooler.
'Evidence of climate change'
The Federal Government has used Adelaide's record heatwave to attack the coalition's credentials on the issue of climate change.
Agriculture Minister Tony Burke has told Federal Parliament the 15 consecutive days above 35 degrees are evidence of the warming trend.
He has accused the coalition of being slow to acknowledge the impact of climate change.
"You talk to anyone in South Australia at the moment working the land - they are living climate change," he said.
"The heatwave that has just been endured has been described today by one scientist as a one-in-3,000-year event and the Member for Kalgoorlie [Barry Haase] says, 'Oh it's just the weather'."
Nelson to focus on climate change
Posted Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:41am AEDT
Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson will outline the Opposition's climate change policy today. (AFP: Greg Wood)
Federal Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson says being part of the global solution to climate change will be a major part of the Coalition's policy platform.
Used to be a member of the Greens some years ago and they lost me by their arguments on this issue.
Yes saw an article on the a day or so ago and agree fully. Compared to other power sources the waste and pollution from nuclear is nearly zilch. There are modern nuclear power plants in operation that are very safe and secure.
We must get our heads out of the sand and explore this option seriously. If China do not go this way, the sheer numbers of cars and coal fired generators will burn up the air supply while we blink.
There a few things not included in this article, one being the pollution content of nuclear, (near zilch)
Another logical fallacy - Argument by selective observation.A few hot days in S.A is "evidence" of global warming? lol. Of course, the fact that Sydney has just had it's coolest January in 50 years means nothing... By your reasoning I could equally claim that this means the earth is cooling. Both would be a silly conclusion to draw from such limited observation.
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