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Gillard/Rudd: The End-Game

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Calliope said:
GG.

To continue your chess analogy, I think you were premature, in your use of "End-Game" in your thread title. I think Kevin has been playing the opening game ever since he was ambushed.There are many different variants of the opening game. "These vary widely in character from quiet positional play to wild tactical play. In addition to referring to specific move sequences, the opening is the first phase of a chess game, the other phases being the middlegame and the endgame."(Wiki.)

I think we are now watching the middlegame and the endgame is further down the track.

You may not agree with me, but if you do, you may wish to reconsider your title.
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It is the endgame.

Rudd to win in 3 more moves.

gg
 
IFocus said:
So what has changed for Aboriginals as a result other than Tony photo opportunities?
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Perhaps there has been a building of trust between the aboriginal people he took the time and trouble to sit down with. That is a pretty decent first step, isn't it?
It's a damn sight more than the Labor government has done.

You can put Rudd's mealy mouthed Apology into the now huge file that is labelled "Stuff that sounds good but means absolutely nothing: good for short term political advantage."

The much heralded Apology has made zero difference to the lives of aboriginal people.
 
I'm not sure Rudd's into it anymore.

So many of the Caucus hate him that even if Gillard were to voluntarily stand aside, Rudd would be governing with a C-team (plus Kim and Bob Carr, Albanese, Bowen) with the rest of them on strike.

Better to follow the Bligh lead and abandon ship and leave the Titanic Labor to its own devices. In order to make the election a referndum on the carbon tax, you have to go soon, Kevin.

That would be honorable, given the way Crean, Swan etc have spat at you. Just go - no one could blame you for not wanting to be the only Federal member in Qld at the next election.

That would be lonely enough, but to have to catch the same plane to Canberra as Bob Katter would be unbearable!:eek::banghead:
 
IFocus said:
So what has changed for Aboriginals as a result other than Tony photo opportunities?
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As I said, he has been doing this for years, long before the press decided to mention it so it's not a photo opportunity. I use this as an example of why he is not the ogre people make him out to be. Sadly not much has changed for Aboriginals but that is hardly the fault of Abbott. I believe he is doing what he can on a personal level, elect him for PM and see what he can do on a policy level ;)
 
Miss Hale said:
As I said, he has been doing this for years, long before the press decided to mention it so it's not a photo opportunity. I use this as an example of why he is not the ogre people make him out to be. Sadly not much has changed for Aboriginals but that is hardly the fault of Abbott. I believe he is doing what he can on a personal level, elect him for PM and see what he can do on a policy level ;)
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Yep - Miss Hale - As a (former) Labor heartland voter, I'm going to give Abbott a go. I suspected compassion and a good heart long before I heard the story about his sister being a lesbian etc.

The truth of the matter is, you don't know the true character of your Prime Minister until he or she becomes PM (the 'real Julia' jibe by the false Julia during the 2010 campaign aside).

Besides it has the added advantage of knocking out Gillard so I'm killing one bird with one stone!!:D:p::)
 
The end game has begun.

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has made a thinly-veiled criticism of Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan over the mining tax, which he says has not raised ''any real revenue''.

When asked in a television interview if the new Labor leadership team had given away too much to the miners, Mr Rudd replied: ''History will be the judge of that.''
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Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opi...d-says-rudd-20130212-2e9xs.html#ixzz2Ke5qvwpF

He must be very close to having the numbers, and Wayne Swan has his own obvious problems.

He said that Labor could win the election but did not specify that it would be under Ms Gillard.

''Of course the Australian Labor Government can win and can win under the Prime Minister's leadership.''
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What can Labor do now to cut Kev off at the pass ?
 
I would be surprised if they take Gillard down as her retaliation would be fierce, imo. For starters she could simply resign from the labor party and government would be handed to Abbott (I think) cutting labor MPs out of a few months on their higher pays. The other issue is that she probably knows which ex-union MPs have had their hands in the till. And maybe the dumping of Crossin was an example of what will happen to those who vote with Rudd.

Time will tell...
 
Well they are a disfunctional family. GG

It was bound to end in tears.:D

I must admit I am more interested to see the swing against Wilkie, Oakeshott and the old bloke. I wonder if you can bet on their outcome?:D
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
As of two hours ago, I am told he has the numbers.

And now for the end.

The factions will finish Gillard, Swan and Co. off, quite soon.

gg
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He hasn't quite managed to make a pawn out of a queen.

More a case of waiting for the queen to sacrifice herself.

It's now a question of how long the party as a whole can tolerate going over the edge with her.

Would she understand an increasing silence of her friends, or is she so far gone that that's beyond her ?
 
Sorry gg, change of plans -

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Garpal Gumnut said:
As of two hours ago, I am told he has the numbers.

And now for the end.

The factions will finish Gillard, Swan and Co. off, quite soon.

gg
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Is the Labor Party nearing their implosion?

I thought Rudd might have made his move today but it now looks like mid March. His numbers are increasing by the day. Perhaps Rudd is waiting for someone to tap dear Julia on the shoulder and say to her, it's time for a change of leadership.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-set-for-battle/story-fncyva0b-1226577365065
 
noco said:
Is the Labor Party nearing their implosion?

I thought Rudd might have made his move today but it now looks like mid March. His numbers are increasing by the day. Perhaps Rudd is waiting for someone to tap dear Julia on the shoulder and say to her, it's time for a change of leadership.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-set-for-battle/story-fncyva0b-1226577365065
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When the inevitable leadership shakeup happens, it will be quick, very nasty and without media forewarning.

I don't think Julia Gillard will make it to the next session of parliament as PM. The next set of polls will be a disaster for Labor and I think will trigger a leadership implosion. Her replacement will likely then go to the polls quickly to salvage as much as they can from the wreckage.

Politically, the Gillard government has fallen apart this week. Wayne Swan has been left out to swing in the breeze and Julia looked very lonely today with her chocolate rose. For them both, it's all but over.
 

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noco said:
Is the Labor Party nearing their implosion?

I thought Rudd might have made his move today but it now looks like mid March. His numbers are increasing by the day. Perhaps Rudd is waiting for someone to tap dear Julia on the shoulder and say to her, it's time for a change of leadership.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-set-for-battle/story-fncyva0b-1226577365065
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drsmith said:
When the inevitable leadership shakeup happens, it will be quick, very nasty and without media forewarning.

I don't think Julia Gillard will make it to the next session of parliament as PM. The next set of polls will be a disaster for Labor and I think will trigger a leadership implosion. Her replacement will likely then go to the polls quickly to salvage as much as they can from the wreckage.

Politically, the Gillard government has fallen apart this week. Wayne Swan has been left out to swing in the breeze and Julia looked very lonely today with her chocolate rose. For them both, it's all but over.
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I am told it will be mid-March.

That is from the Rudd side by the way.

gg
 
I can't see anyone in Labor standing up to the plate.
It would have to be something catastrophic, for them to throw Gillard out.

I would think most in Labor are huddled up in a corner, hoping something will save them. No IMO I can't see them rolling Julia.
 
sptrawler said:
I can't see anyone in Labor standing up to the plate.
It would have to be something catastrophic, for them to throw Gillard out.

I would think most in Labor are huddled up in a corner, hoping something will save them. No IMO I can't see them rolling Julia.
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spt, I would agree. They are huddled and **** scared. And hoping something other than the Little Emperor will save them.

But when it comes down to it, they are local members, and need re-election.

Most politicians are like that. They live in the vacuum of importance.

And out of office they are nothing, less than nothing.

drsmith said:
It will be interesting to see if that's the actual battle plan or the diversion.
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Time is in Rudd's favour. You may be correct.

Gillard made a huge mistake in telling the Little Emperor when the election date was to be.

He is a slippery fellow. My contacts tell me it is March.

The silly bastard can't help himself also. He went early last year because he is a silly bastard.

He may go early this time, and win.

gg
 
As an observer on the self destruction of a venerable party, the ALP, I am fascinated by the present dilemma facing MHR's and Senators in relation as to whether Rudd or Gillard should lead the ALP.

It may be useful to do a headcount to assess who may be a Rudd voter, and who a Gillard.

As we trawl through the litany of misery, we may end up with substantive number, to assist the factions understand, that when it comes to a choice between keeping your seat and ideology, keeping your seat wins out each time.

To start us off can we commence a ledger.

Please add to, and delete, as you wish, but with evidence or reasonable explained conjecture.

So to it.

Gillard : 2 Votes Gillard. Swan.

Rudd : 1 Vote Rudd.

gg
 
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