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Easy to say if you don't have to experience it yourself.
So in terms of a child missing out a gender appropriate role model if raise by gay parents, I don't think that's such a big issue - if an issue at all.
No-one mentioned "superiority", it's a fact that 98% of the population is non aboriginal, as is the white child. He has not been raised with the skills needed to get on in the real world that he is most likely to be living in.
There is nothing stopping a gay couple raising a child with all the skills they need to get on in the real world, what is an example of a skill you are worried they will miss out on?
If the aboriginal family spoke English, lived in the suburbs, had a middle class life style etc, would you still be worried about them raising children?
Are you still saying that a "white mans" family would be better?
It's not a matter of what is TRUE for gay parenting, it's what is FALSE. No father or mother role model, a home environment that will be different to what they will experience when they grow up.
Another example. A white child falls of the back of a ute in the outback, is found and bought up by aboriginals who only speak their own language and don't teach the child anything about the white mans world. How prepared is that child to live with the 98% of the population who are not aboriginal ?
Unless you're claiming that same sex couples will only allow their children to meet other same sex parents, will somehow have schools staffed with gay teachers, live in gay towns your Aboriginal raising a white child analogy is not really appropriate.
So some kids have to make do with substitute role models, ie teachers etc ?
Would they love the kids as much as parents do ?
What makes a father and what makes a mother? It's more than just genitalia right?
Their own children ? Obviously not.
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Estrogen + Testosterone
Estrogen + Testosterone
It seems they haven't learnt a thing from history, Rumpole.
All that talk about 'a mother having a strong bond with her children etc' that Julia Gillard gave about the sorry speech, was all just words.
Many people like to believe the gay rights mantra that children “don’t need both a mum and a dad” so they can feel better about themselves or their associates who have neglected children.
Syd, I don't agree, but then as I have said, I am standing up for traditional Marriage and family.
Homosexuals still can't adopt in all states, from what I know.
It seems you haven't helped people find their natural parents, and what they go through.
That answer gives away more than you know.
Thousands of years, throughout the Western World, is not a recent phenomenon, Syd.
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Tink, I think the argument is that marriage were supposedly a strategic alliance in past millenia (increasing tribal glue, military, labour, political, economic, keeping the kiddy factory chased while fighting enemies, etc), whereas "love and marriage" is a new concept (five or six generations old in the west).
I don't know how true that is, but given Juliet topped herself way before a few generations back it is quite plausible and therefore homosexuals can't use the argument that love is the historical glue of marriages.
Certainly the old testament yarns are at least older than Christ and it's fairly clear what civilised society considered acceptable back then: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh". there's always the other chestnut : "A son is a son till he takes a wife, a daughter's a daughter the rest of her life"........ It could be argued that the Greek toga parties that the homosexuals like parade as historically rooting marriage as their invention (no genetic linkage mind you) didn't survive society for a very good reason.
My argument is that the govt shouldn't give a toss about sexual attraction (and I consider sex can only be via baby making plugs and sockets) and base the union on:
keeping track of incest;
keeping track of family wealth and equitable distribution at death;
keeping track of whereabouts;
creating a family environment that promotes welfare of children, without biased kinship;
health and welfare of the community;
making man and woman responsible to each other and their children;
establishing a monogamous expectation;
stewardship by state in providing a sense of belonging and wantedness for offspring and documented geneological line of descent.
Of course there are those who subscribe to the Blue Mink "Melting Pot" mantra ... I wonder how that idea worked out.....:I'd hate to be the bugger that got the works from a gay man in that great big "lovin machine"
Oh really ?
Please explain.
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As Katy Faust pointed out.
I am done with discussing this with you, I have realised that your opinions are based on deep seated perhaps even subconscious stereotyping and you are happy to discriminate based on opinion rather than fact.
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Biggest copout ever.
Make veiled suggestions or accusations and then run away.
Gutless wonder.
It's not a cop out, over the past few days I have realised that your staunch anti gay views, are not related so much to the actual factors you say you are against, but an underlying discrimination, this leads you to seek shelter in confirmation bias and leads me to lose interest in further discussion.
At first I thought you were capable of working through the facts rationally in a dispassionate way, but I have since realised that you are not, so there is no real point discussing it.
I will give it to you that you are not as bad as Tink and Tisme, there case is outright bigotry.
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