This isn't an equality issue. If its about our rights and we should have the right to love as we want then why not permit many wives or husbands? If everyone is consenting then who is the government to tell us how to live and love? Then children will have multiple mother and father influences.......
Can you see where this is going?
So you think you could learn to be gay?
Not now, not for me. But I think a child could. I'm no expert on this but I have noticed a few things:
1. gay men/women I have known seem to often have poor relationships with the same sex parent. Not always, but often. Even if it's just a parent who is aloof or absent a lot.
2. There was a doco on TV that showed that young gay men who reconnect with their fathers have a high chance of changing their sexual orientation (it was an episode of the Young Americans).
3. We only desire things we don't have. If we haven't had the love/connection of the same sex parent early in life, we could easily create the image of the perfect lover as being someone who has that missing quality, ie. maleness/femaleness.
It can't be easy being gay. It's probably a lot easier than it was in the past, which is a good thing.
Have you ever thought that homosexual children have poor relationships with their "Same sex parent" because of the fact that they had homosexual traits growing up? The causation could easily be argued to be the reverse of your argument.Not now, not for me. But I think a child could. I'm no expert on this but I have noticed a few things:
1. gay men/women I have known seem to often have poor relationships with the same sex parent. Not always, but often. Even if it's just a parent who is aloof or absent a lot.
2. There was a doco on TV that showed that young gay men who reconnect with their fathers have a high chance of changing their sexual orientation (it was an episode of the Young Americans).
3. We only desire things we don't have. If we haven't had the love/connection of the same sex parent early in life, we could easily create the image of the perfect lover as being someone who has that missing quality, ie. maleness/femaleness.
It can't be easy being gay. It's probably a lot easier than it was in the past, which is a good thing.
Have you ever thought that homosexual children have poor relationships with their "Same sex parent" because of the fact that they had homosexual traits growing up? The causation could easily be argued to be the reverse of your argument.
for the record, I've never ever met anyone who has been involved in a "three way" love pact. I've never really heard it reported any where either. I'm not sure how people are saying it is "common" or "prevalent" and the "next big step." Sounds like hyperbole from my, admittedly, shorter experience of the world.
Have you ever thought that homosexual children have poor relationships with their "Same sex parent" because of the fact that they had homosexual traits growing up? The causation could easily be argued to be the reverse of your argument.
for the record, I've never ever met anyone who has been involved in a "three way" love pact. I've never really heard it reported any where either. I'm not sure how people are saying it is "common" or "prevalent" and the "next big step." Sounds like hyperbole from my, admittedly, shorter experience of the world.
Ahh NZ.
One step closer to marrying sheep
I agree.
This debate is filled with hyperbole. It's commonly accepted by everyone except some of the more fanatical Bible bashers that homosexuality is something you're born with. As Burnsie pointed out, it takes more than a bad relationship with your dad to want to hop in the sack with your best mate.
The Honourable Corey Bernardi is in the chamber.
What is it commonly accepted based on? What is the evidence that 'you are born with it'
Point worth considering.I would argue the hurdles of going through the adoption process for any couple (which can take years) should show how determined they are to do a good job parenting.
Agree with the principle you're talking about, but perhaps consider that a homosexual orientation will not preclude people from alcohol/drug abuse, penury, or abuse.I fail to see how a child would be worse off than some single parent children, or children from less than ideal circumstances. Eg alcohol/drug taking parents, parents who can't afford to look after them, parents who don't know how to look after a child, abusive families..
What about my pedophile question which is also in relation to sexual preference? Is this something people are born with too?
And specifically what genetic information has been found in an individual that makes them have a homosexual preference? Not generic studies but concrete evidence?
It is intellectually dishonest (or ignorant) to state that people are born with homosexuality as a fact. Objectively, that just cannot be done.
"Medical studies" is a throw away line on a forum like this rather than presenting evidences A,B,C.
Unfortunately the uneducated public just accept this as a tolerance issue because it is what they have naively been fed. Most do not have the foresight to see the implications of these decisions (as I've mentioned above). I'm used to it. Like other things people will look at the few who recognized this and say "wow, how did you see that coming. It was only one small tolerance issue at the time."
The amount of propaganda in here is laughable.
It is intellectually dishonest (or ignorant) to state that people are born with homosexuality as a fact. Objectively, that just cannot be done.
2. The origins of homosexuality
Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there
is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of
parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a
person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear
that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex
interplay of genetic factors and the
early uterine environment. Sexual
orientation is therefore not a choice, thou
gh sexual behaviour clearly is. Thus
LGB people have exactly the same rights and responsibilities concerning the
expression of their sexuality as heterosexual people. However, until the
beginning of more liberal social attitu
des to homosexuality in the past two
decades, prejudice and discrimination against homosexuality induced
considerable embarrassment and shame in
many LGB people and did little to
encourage them to lead sex lives that ar
e respectful of themselves and others.
We return to the stability of LGB partnerships below
The amount of propaganda in here is laughable.
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