Excellent post LogiqueIt's been represented as a human rights issue, but really it goes far beyond that. It's social engineering.
It's about our constitution, our family and societal values, privilege and and the creeping entitlement mentality.
What about the human rights of the children that married gays in NZ will now be entitled to adopt. Two same-sex parents is better than no parents, I'll concede that, but children are entitled to a mother and a father, and this should take priority.
When gay marriage advocates come clean on their full agenda, that's when I'll think about supporting them.
Excellent post Logique
The children are my concern, why dont they ask their opinion.
A mother and a father are both important.
A couple of decades ago anyone suggesting homosexuals would marry would be laughed at. Never happen, it was declared. Now, at least in NZ, they can, on the basis that they are two people who love each other. It's not all that unusual for three or more people to be involved in a consensual relationship where they all profess to love one another. Are we going to be equally sanguine about endorsing marriage for this?Just stumbled on this thread and read the whole thing <sigh> and for the life of me, I cannot see how the whole Gay Marriage thing is an issue. Can't see how it affects anyone other than the couple getting married.
It seems people who are against it, are more against the use of the word "marriage" than against the relationship between the two people. Is it that big a deal? Do the people against gays' use of the "M" word protest when two companies "marry", or when a carpenter "married up" two pieces of wood to make a shelf? Surely all this protesting/arguments can't just be because of one word. If I decided to call myself a unicorn, would there be ramifications?
Marriage = making babies? So people (straight) over a certain age shouldn't marry? What about couples who are not interested in having kids?
Kids will get picked on? Of course they will. They will be picked on because of their height, weight, footy team, hair colour, ethnic background, religion, and yes - their parents. That's life, and a part of growing up in this country.
If two people are lucky enough to find each other, fall in love and decide they want to declare their love publicly - to their friends, family and whoever else they choose - who has the right to stop them? Good on em I say.
It's been represented as a human rights issue, but really it goes far beyond that. It's social engineering.
It's about our constitution, our family and societal values, privilege and and the creeping entitlement mentality.
What about the human rights of the children that married gays in NZ will now be entitled to adopt. Two same-sex parents is better than no parents, I'll concede that, but children are entitled to a mother and a father, and this should take priority.
When gay marriage advocates come clean on their full agenda, that's when I'll think about supporting them.
It's not all that unusual for three or more people to be involved in a consensual relationship where they all profess to love one another. Are we going to be equally sanguine about endorsing marriage for this?
I have noticed a big swing in young people towards gayness and bisexuality. So big that one might be tempted to rule out heredity as the cause.
When gay marriage advocates come clean on their full agenda, that's when I'll think about supporting them.
Two same-sex parents is better than no parents, I'll concede that, but children are entitled to a mother and a father, and this should take priority.
Imo there's scope for that same principle to be considered here.
It's been represented as a human rights issue, but really it goes far beyond that. It's social engineering.
It's about our constitution, our family and societal values, privilege and and the creeping entitlement mentality.
What about the human rights of the children that married gays in NZ will now be entitled to adopt. Two same-sex parents is better than no parents, I'll concede that, but children are entitled to a mother and a father, and this should take priority.
When gay marriage advocates come clean on their full agenda, that's when I'll think about supporting them.
It's not all that unusual for three or more people to be involved in a consensual relationship where they all profess to love one another. Are we going to be equally sanguine about endorsing marriage for this?
If the loving one another is the basis for it - and there is no legal implication because homosexual couples already have full legal equality in their civil unions in most instances - then presumably relationships between multiple people should be legitimate.
...Whenever there are discussions about voluntary euthanasia, people raise the notion of 'the slippery slope'.
When the kids of gay parents become adults, they might sue the government that permitted them to be raised without a mother or father. "How could they have permitted such an abuse on my rights!" they will say. That would be awkward.
On another tack, I have noticed a big swing in young people towards gayness and bisexuality. So big that one might be tempted to rule out heredity as the cause. Learned perhaps?
I have never heard heredity being mentioned as the cause, never mind being mentioned as even a factor in the cause of homosexuality. I'm not saying it isn't, but it's something I haven't heard mentioned.
IMO the swing towards homosexuality is most likely due to it being now accepted as a form of "normal" in society and there is much less reason to hide in the closet, at least in western societies. It doesn't have the stigma attached to it as it previously had. .
What is your plan for single mothers and single fathers, put their children in the care of the state?
Whiskers,
I've read your referenced article about the suggested hereditary aspects of homosexuality, but it would appear to be far from conclusive. Kinsey came up with quite different conclusions.
It may very well impact our "family and societal values", but they are constantly changing anyway and IMO, for the better.
+1
Many won't see the implications of this until many years down the track.
No matter how bad a parent is, mother or father, a child will always love them and want to know them -- everyone wants to know their roots.
When the kids of gay parents become adults, they might sue the government that permitted them to be raised without a mother or father. "How could they have permitted such an abuse on my rights!" they will say. That would be awkward.
On another tack, I have noticed a big swing in young people towards gayness and bisexuality. So big that one might be tempted to rule out heredity as the cause. Learned perhaps?
This would have to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read. I do wish people would stop trying to push their opinions on to others.
This would have to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read. I do wish people would stop trying to push their opinions on to others. The only absolute I do subscribe to is the right of people to self-determine their outcomes. Gay marriage will have no more negative effects on children than are currently available to those who have "bad" hetro parents.
Iza
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