Gay Marriage

[Tisme]

Obviously, the women lesbians.

I knew you would bring that up so I was obviously armed to the teeth. We all think that democracy in Oz came with teh first fleet, but the vote has a fairly recent history:

1. The first parliamentary vote in NSW was 1850 and even then males had to have $400 or a householder with $40/annum income

2. In 1856 men over 21 allowed to vote SA, 1857 men over 21 in Vic, 1868 NSW, 1872 QLD and because WA only got self govt in 1890 the 21 yearolds had to wait unit 1893

3. Women and aboriginals over 21 were allowed the vote in SA in 1895 and women in WA 1899

Of course none of this known by most Australians because we are too busy saving ourselves from the cultural cringe of never keeping up with the rest of world and its fads.

BY comparison with the US: women had the vote in the British america colonies, but lost it when the local blokes decided they would revolt against old blighty; I assume so the men could vote themselves war necessities. They were still being stripped of their suffrage rights well into the late 1800s and had to wait until the 1900s to regain what they lost 100 plus years before.

 

[Tisme]

Hey Tisme
What does your wife think about the subject?
Not trolling, serious question.

You display a consistent credibility moXJO so:

I think more to the point is what my X/Y gen daughter and her friends think (paraphrasing): "who cares; it's just a fad; the govt will make sure kids are looked after; only your generation cares about this dad, etc"

My silent (defeatest) gen mum's attitude (paraphrasing): " there's nothing you can do about, it is going to happen, you just have to live with it. Govts will do what it takes to garner votes". Very much a practicing Christian " do your best and leave the rest to god" works well for her.

My various early boomer and late silent genner male friends, male rellies and males in building industry on the other hand are more facsist leaning on this and islam than I would ever be LOL. If they knew about the United Patriots Front I'm sure they would donate to the cause ....and that crosses right across the broad body politic amongst them

 

[grah33]

i just don't know about gay marriage. when you start messing around with basic social structures, structures which civilizations are built upon, there has to be some unfavorable consequences. in any case, should be interesting to see what happens . labor should stop trying to force it on everybody

 

[pixel]

i just don't know about gay marriage. when you start messing around with basic social structures, structures which civilizations are built upon, there has to be some unfavorable consequences. in any case, should be interesting to see what happens . labor should stop trying to force it on everybody

? force what on whom ?
I haven't noticed any attempt to make homosexuality compulsory for all married couples. If that were the case, I'd join the Anti-Brigade like a shot. And for the record: I don't feel the slightest inclination to attend or watch any Rainbow parade or Mardi Gras. I do, however, object most strongly if anyone tries to deny attendance to anyone so inclined.

As far as I can see, extending the right to marry their chosen partner to everybody doesn't "mess" with any straight couple's social structure. Traditional families will still remain what they're now: faithful or not, good parents or dysfunctional, caring role models or abusive. What other couples call their relationship won't make the slightest difference to what and who they are.

 

[Tisme]

Death of marriage = "progress"
1. "Opting out of marriage altogether will provide a quicker path to progress, as only the death of marriage can bring about the dawn of equality for all."
-- Dr. Meagan Tyler,
Lecturer in Sociology at Victoria University

Who needs marriage anymore
2. "The real question that should be debated is not whether gay marriage should be allowed, but rather, is marriage really something we need anymore?"
-- David Vakalis

Redefine the institution
3. "A middle ground might be to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society’s moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution. [Legalizing "same-sex marriage"] is also a chance to wholly transform the definition of family in American culture.”
-- Michelangelo Signorile,
OUT magazine, December/January 1994

We are advocating destruction
4. "And after all, we are advocating the destruction of the centrality of marriage and the nuclear family unit... ."
-- Ryan Conrad

Next step: Abolish
5. "But perhaps the next step isn’t to, once again, expand the otherwise narrow definition of marriage but to altogether abolish the false distinction between married families and other equally valid but unrecognized partnerships."
-- Sally Kohn,
Prop 8: Let’s Get Rid of Marriage Instead!

The death of marriage
6. "Wouldn't marriage's death as a state institution, including for straight people, be the best solution? ...Scrap the civil register; make no distinction in the state's eyes between married and unmarried citizens."
-- Alex Gabriel,
Politics.co.uk

Stoke the flames
7. "Marriage is the proverbial burning building. Instead of pounding on the door to be let in... queers should be stoking the flames!"
-- National Conference on Organized Resistance

Marriage erodes "freedom"
8. "Marriage should not be a goal; it should be a choice. One choice available out of many recognized as valid by society. But it isn’t. Not yet. Right now, as far as society is concerned, you are married or you are not yet married. And as that notion becomes further codified our freedom to make other choices steadily erodes."
-- David McGee

A moral revolution
9. "The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality."
-- Paul Varnell,
Chicago Free Press

Abolish the family
10. "We must aim at the abolition of the family, so that the sexist, male supremacist system can no longer be nurtured there."
-- Gay Liberation Front: Manifesto,
London, 1971, revised 1978

Transform society
11. “Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex and family, and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. ... We must keep our eyes on the goal ... of radically reordering society’s views of reality." [source]
-- Paula Ettelbrick
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

Marriage should not exist
12. "... fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there””because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist."
-- Masha Gessen, journalist
During a pannel discussion at the Sydney Writers Festival

 

[SirRumpole]

Death of marriage = "progress"
1. "Opting out of marriage altogether will provide a quicker path to progress, as only the death of marriage can bring about the dawn of equality for all."
-- Dr. Meagan Tyler,
Lecturer in Sociology at Victoria University
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Indeed, an attempt to drag everyone down to a degenerate free for all hotch potch with no concept of family or secure relationships.

It's a "if we can't have families, no one can" mindset, an attack on the grass roots of society.

 

[Tink]

Agree, Rumpole and Tisme.

The reason they don't want the plebiscite, as people are waking up.

Political Correctness is a poison in our society, that let's evil flourish.

In my view, the left are VANDALS, destroying this country from within.

Thank God Joe believes in Freedom of Speech.

If this was Daniel Andrews in Victoria, it would be shut down already.

 

[Tisme]

Agree, Rumpole and Tisme.

The reason they don't want the plebiscite, as people are waking up.

Political Correctness is a poison in our society, that let's evil flourish.

In my view, the left are VANDALS, destroying this country from within.

Thank God Joe believes in Freedom of Speech.

If this was Daniel Andrews in Victoria, it would be shut down already.

I've managed to aggravate a certain take no prisoners femme who promotes gay marriage at every opportunity on national TV. Very defensive on social media about me baiting her royal highness.

 

[moXJO]

Indeed, an attempt to drag everyone down to a degenerate free for all hotch potch with no concept of family or secure relationships.

It's a "if we can't have families, no one can" mindset, an attack on the grass roots of society.

I have to agree with this.
It seems families are frowned upon unless you are a trendy power couple that instagrams every moment in vain fashion while declaring "We Have it All". And children being used as trendy accessories while been shoved of to babysitters for 12 hours of the day.

Families are being weakened by toxic feminism, PC warriors and an increasingly shallow "all about me" population. And it furthers the amount of people that seem disconnected from society. Can't seeing getting any better either.

 

[Tisme]

I have to agree with this.
It seems families are frowned upon unless you are a trendy power couple that instagrams every moment in vain fashion while declaring "We Have it All". And children being used as trendy accessories while been shoved of to babysitters for 12 hours of the day.

Families are being weakened by toxic feminism, PC warriors and an increasingly shallow "all about me" population. And it furthers the amount of people that seem disconnected from society. Can't seeing getting any better either.

It's interesting how gay marriage is being proclaimed a progression to an impossible equality of dissimilar entities, but the real potential regression of children back to disassociated parenting is not considered a problem.,,,, the contra being that work focused hetrosexual couples do it so it's OK.

 

[explod]

If a couple of blokes or girls want to get married I cannot see any reason for them not to be allowed.

It is their business and we should all mind our own business.

But the fuss and expense the government is going to just shows how stupid we are. And if the plebesite does pass in the positive there is still a good chance the government still won't pass it anyway. How many houses for the disadvantaged would the plebesite moneys build.

Its time our Prime Minister got down to implimenting some of his rants on productivity and jobs. Some hope and substance for the people on the ground.

 

[Tink]

If it is their business, then they should stop the funding of the unsafe anti bullying propaganda being forced on the children in public schools against the parents wishes.
In that way you can have more funds directed at teaching what you are supposed to be teaching in these schools, like reading, writing etc rather than your leftist propaganda and dogma.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=25851&page=6&p=903407&viewfull=1#post903407

Is that the same men and women that the left believe don't deserve their own separate bathrooms?
Good to see a few public schools have declined taking it on, and have set up their own anti bullying, which caters for all children.
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This is about Marriage and what the government is saying to the Community.
What is being taught in our schools for the next generation.

Just like the police, the army, etc.
All laws are based on morality.

A Mother and Father are important in a child's life, and vice versa.
To change that, you are giving a different message to the community, that children don't matter and that a mother and father doesn't matter.
No responsibility, no accountability.

Children can be sold like pets in a pet shop, and let's bring in the pr0n industry and prostitution.

What people do in the community is up to them, but when it comes to Marriage and standards, these are things that we should be standing up for, in my view.

As Rumpole said, people have made up their minds already, but a plebiscite should be held for the public.

Luutzu, you asked me what Jesus would do, I don't think I have to answer that one.

Responsibility and accountability.

Remember, this over rides traditional marriage with its own rules.

Not enough lions in the den, we are still talking.

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Malcolm Turnbull has set up a plebiscite because it has come from demand from both sides, the public want a voice on this important change that changes our society.

Good on him for holding up a mirror to Adam Bandt and Bill Shorten, to show who the real bullies are with their hate speech.

 

[Tisme]

If it is their business, then they should stop the funding of the unsafe anti bullying propaganda being forced on the children in public schools against the parents wishes.
In that way you can have more funds directed at teaching what you are supposed to be teaching in these schools, like reading, writing etc rather than your leftist propaganda and dogma.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=25851&page=6&p=903407&viewfull=1#post903407

Is that the same men and women that the left believe don't deserve their own separate bathrooms?
Good to see a few public schools have declined taking it on, and have set up their own anti bullying, which caters for all children.
---------------------------------------

This is about Marriage and what the government is saying to the Community.
What is being taught in our schools for the next generation.

Just like the police, the army, etc.
All laws are based on morality.

A Mother and Father are important in a child's life, and vice versa.
To change that, you are giving a different message to the community, that children don't matter and that a mother and father doesn't matter.
No responsibility, no accountability.

Children can be sold like pets in a pet shop, and let's bring in the pr0n industry and prostitution.

What people do in the community is up to them, but when it comes to Marriage and standards, these are things that we should be standing up for, in my view.

As Rumpole said, people have made up their minds already, but a plebiscite should be held for the public.

Luutzu, you asked me what Jesus would do, I don't think I have to answer that one.

Responsibility and accountability.

Remember, this over rides traditional marriage with its own rules.

Not enough lions in the den, we are still talking.

-----------------------------------------------------

Malcolm Turnbull has set up a plebiscite because it has come from demand from both sides, the public want a voice on this important change that changes our society.

Good on him for holding up a mirror to Adam Bandt and Bill Shorten, to show who the real bullies are with their hate speech.

The people setting the agendas are observably damaged goods themselves, no doubt righting the injustices they feel for themselves via any vehicle they can find. It really is a religion in itself with the deity an invisible force of collective antagonism railing against a stubborn residue of people who stay on well worn paths.

The upsetting thing about the whole thing is how the public are so easily convinced their primal defense system is out of quilter, because social media and an entertainment industry full of wierdos says so. It's all so matter of fact predicated on bulldust.

 

[noco]

The people setting the agendas are observably damaged goods themselves, no doubt righting the injustices they feel for themselves via any vehicle they can find. It really is a religion in itself with the deity an invisible force of collective antagonism railing against a stubborn residue of people who stay on well worn paths.

The upsetting thing about the whole thing is how the public are so easily convinced their primal defense system is out of quilter, because social media and an entertainment industry full of wierdos says so. It's all so matter of fact predicated on bulldust.

How can people setting the agenda be damaged goods themselves.......I don't understand you jargon.

The laws sates that a marriage is between a man and a woman.....If this rule is to be changed, then it should be decided by the people and not politicians.....

The Greens and Labor are trying to block it for they fear that the outcome will not be in their favor.

Gays and Lesbians have been living together for centuries and it only until recently they want to sign a piece of paper which they believe will hold them together for the rest of their lives......Will it in deed?

There a major religion who want to spell death to homosexuals, but on the same hand that religion is happy to allow forced marriages on 10 and 11 year girls and for the men to have more than one wife.

 

[Junior]

The people setting the agendas are observably damaged goods themselves, no doubt righting the injustices they feel for themselves via any vehicle they can find. It really is a religion in itself with the deity an invisible force of collective antagonism railing against a stubborn residue of people who stay on well worn paths.

Don't forget the other 95% who are in favour of gay marriage, who simply see it as an equal rights issue.

 

[SirRumpole]

Don't forget the other 95% who are in favour of gay marriage, who simply see it as an equal rights issue.

I don't know of it's 95% that agree with gay marriage, only a plebiscite will tell us that, but I think 95% of the population are sick of hearing about the issue, and wish it would go away, one way or another.

It's a distraction from the fundamentals, national interest whether in home affairs or foreign affairs.

 

[Knobby22]

I don't know of it's 95% that agree with gay marriage, only a plebiscite will tell us that, but I think 95% of the population are sick of hearing about the issue, and wish it would go away, one way or another.

It's a distraction from the fundamentals, national interest whether in home affairs or foreign affairs.

I am also sick of this "hate speech" we keep hearing of but never see.
I find that some of the left lack respect.

 

[overhang]

Thankfully it's looking like Labor will block the plebiscite. What a waste of at least $160 million it would be to then have MPs cast a non-binding vote anyway.

Howard didn't need a plebiscite to change the marriage act in 2004 to align with his ideology so I'm not sure why we need a plebiscite now.

 

[SirRumpole]

Thankfully it's looking like Labor will block the plebiscite. What a waste of at least $160 million it would be to then have MPs cast a non-binding vote anyway.

Howard didn't need a plebiscite to change the marriage act in 2004 to align with his ideology so I'm not sure why we need a plebiscite now.

The Conservatives control the House and if they don't allow a vote on SSM, then it won't happen for another 3 years.

 

[overhang]

The Conservatives control the House and if they don't allow a vote on SSM, then it won't happen for another 3 years.

If the SSM community have to wait at least another 3 years then so be it, as much as public opinion seems to indicate it will pass you never know how people will react once the ACL launch their propaganda campaign and if the plebiscite failed it would possibly set them back another 10 years. I still find it astonishing that Turnbull can't even control the party enough to force a binding vote if the yes vote won. Considering Bernardi and Christensen continue to threaten to cross the floor maybe it's time a few of the Lib SSM supporters threatened to cross the floor if Turnbull won't allow a free vote.