The picture is the point... that fluorosis is not an insignificant issue.
Most likely they just haven't updated to the latest research yet completed only late last year.
And don't forget to please explain how opposing compulsary fluoridation, equates to being self centered and not caring for others.
You might be happy as you say, to see ten suffer from fluorosis in a vain attempt to save one from dying from tooth abscess, BUT the point is those of us who practice good hygene should not have to suffer induced fluorosis in the futile attempt to mass medicate to try to save someone who cares little about their own dental hygene.
Why don't you just list all these issues, your evidence and support for these into a single succinct post? Why the need to fluff about with all this posturing and nitpicking?No, I said I was starting with the so called less serious issues and working up.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11571&page=222
It appears that many of fluoride’s effects, and those of the alumino fluoride complexes are mediated by activation of Gp, a protein of the G family. G proteins mediate the release of many of the best known transmitters of the central nervous system. Not only do fluorides affect transmitter concentrations and functions but also are involved in the regulation of glucagons, prostaglandins, and a number of central nervous system peptides, including vasopressin, endogenous opioids, and other hypothalamic peptides. The AlFx binds to GDP and ADP altering their ability to form the triphosphate molecule essential for providing energies to cells in the brain. Thus, AlFx not only provides false messages throughout the nervous system but, at the same time, diminishes the energy essential to brain function.
Fluorides also increase the production of free radicals in the brain through several different biological pathways. These changes have a bearing on the possibility that fluorides act to increase the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease. Today, the disruption of aerobic metabolism in the brain, a reduction of effectiveness of acetylcholine as a transmitter, and an increase in free radicals are thought to be causative factors for this disease. More research is needed to clarify fluoride’s biochemical effects on the brain.
If you are so concerned about fluorosis then why don't you also turn your crusade against the companies that make fluoride toothpastes and fluoride tablets - history shows that these are the big contributors to fluorosis.
Lol does this research exist in your imagination? If its real and exists in real life, then find it
What this shows me is that you don't care (or you don't understand) about the benefit water fluoridation has for low socioeconomic communities. These people have high decay rates because they are not as fortunate as you - they did not grow up in a wealthy environment which included the passing on of good dental hygiene and dental education.
Your tall poppy syndrome lends you to the your belief of 'why should I have to drink fluoridated water just because these unfortunate (less wealthy and less educated) have poor oral hygiene and lots of decay? That is self-centred IMO. I wonder if you've ever done any voluntary work for less fortunate people in your lifetime.
I have addressed cardiac concerns before, remember, the first time in this thread that Julia berated me.
Inextricably linked!! Check out WHO studies linking fluoridation to better oral health my friend.
All you can see is lol flourosis, something which an extremely vast proportion of the population is totally unaware of.... I wonder why.
Inextricable: incapable of being disentangled or untied.
WHO make some casual links with better dental hygene, but none that are inextricably linked to fluoridation.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm progressivly and systematically working up the order of seriousness of the side effects of fluoridation.
Sure most fluorosis may be hardly noticable visually to start with, but it does progress and can be a warning for skeletal fluorosis which is not visable, but far more serious.
As a medical practioner you should know better than to imply that because people are not aware of something it's not important. People generally are not familiar with the signs of many serious disorders and diseases.
Why don't you just list all these issues, your evidence and support for these into a single succinct post?
Why the need to fluff about with all this posturing and nitpicking?
You certainly have your teeth in to this cause.
Do pommies have fluoridation?
They have the worst teeth in the world, especially if they collect antiques or cook for a living.
Any studies, Whiskers, on Pommy teeth?
gg
As a medical practioner you should know better than to imply that because people are not aware of something it's not important. People generally are not familiar with the signs of many serious disorders and diseases.
Medical practitioners are also aware that there are things people are unaware of which are insignificant too.... like fluorosis.
No no no no no no no ......... you have to be a thread hog and spout all sorts of meaningless diatribe and red herrings to fluster the opposition. Have I taught you nothing? A simple sentence will not win the debate/argument/theory/altercation/dispute/moot point .... what about pie charts and graphs and links to other websites espousing the virtues of your opinion??? Post a picture of some gnarly dude with hippo teeth and gum disease caused by smoking and bad diet which has nothing to do with flourosis (or whatever you are damn well arguing about) to prove your point. You are a doctor of MEDICINE for crying out loud !!!!!!!!
Then when it all fails go on about the "written" language and bog yourself down in linguistics to get your message across. DAMN ........ even go for the seven kinds of hats by Ern A Flint with an Asshat on top. For Chrissake man. Don'tgive up now.
Then when that doesn't suit you ..... garble on about some ridiculous findings from third world countries that have brainwashed the masses to keep them in check to stop them from having an opinion and "WE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU !" mentality.
C'mon you can do better than that !!!!!!!
Yes Sensai
I also note your keen use of the exclamation marks, capitals, repeating the same word many times, and am wondering if using bold would also help my cause?
Yours Sincerely
Grasshopper
This study has added new knowledge on the fate and distribution of fluoride in the body. It has shown for the first time that fluoride readily accumulates in the human pineal gland although there was considerable inter-individual variation (14-875 mg F/kg). By old age, the average pineal gland contains about the same amount of fluoride as teeth (300 mg F/kg) since dentine and whole enamel contain 300 and 100 mg F/kg, respectively [Newbrun, 1986].
Unlike brain capillaries, pineal capillaries allow the free passage of fluoride through the endothelium. If there had been a bloodbrain barrier in the pineal, it would have prevented the passage of fluoride into the pinealocytes and the pineal fluoride content would have been similar to or lower than muscle.
This was obviously not the case: the fluoride concentration of the pineal was significantly higher (p<0.001) than muscle. The high fluoride levels in the pineal are presumably due to the large surface area of the HA crystallites both intra- and extracellularly. In addition, the pineal has a profuse blood flow and high capillary density; pineal blood flow (4 ml/min/g) is second only to the kidney [Arendt, 19951.
Statistics of the 1920’s are almost unbelievable. After Hess observed 250 babies for 4 years He concluded that rickets was
universal in bottle-fed babies (41). lncidence increased from summmer to March
In Baltimore, 50% of a group of wellnourished, breast-fed babies had rickets by
the end of March (42).
The deaths of 11 out of 22 children convinced Howland
(43) that a rachmitic thorax could be the
direct cause of death. Statistics became
more alarming. In a stut!y of 197 breastfed babies in New Orleans, all showed
rickets within a year.
A report of 25 Cincinnati women showed that adequate prenatal nutrition did not prevent rickets in offspring (44). Of 400 babies in Boston,
95% had rickets before they were 8 months
old (45).
In a 3-year project begun in 1923, incidence was so high that Eliot stated,
‘ ‘Our investigations have shown that a slight degree of early rickets is well-nigh
universal in our climate and in our state of society” (47).
THESE observations on the teeth in rickets form part of a general
examination of 1,000 school children attending L.C.C. schools in the
East End of London. Without entering into the larger results it
may be stated that 80 per cent. showed distinct evidence of rickets.
In other words, practically all children living under conditions such as
prevail in the East End of London have to struggle through a rickety
phase of their existence in the first two years of their life, and this
struggle leaves its marks in certain definite signs or stigmata which
persist during the whole of the child's school career.
Tooth decay is epidemic in poor and minority populations, according to the Surgeon General, the same groups that suffer a disproportionately high amount of almost all recorded diseases including obesity and diabetes -- both linked to sugar overconsumption.
Many poor continue to eat diets that lack several key nutrients and are high in fat and sugar, according to a study reported by Reuters Health on April 26, 2001.
Dentists also report tooth decay increases in soda drinking children despite ingesting recommended fluoride.
Dental researcher, Professor Brian Burt, DDS, University of Michigan, reported to the NIH panel, "... avoiding consumption of excess sugar is a justifiable part of caries prevention, if not the most crucial aspect."
So how are you managing to live with your fluorosis, or has your IQ dropped to such a level you don't care?
Dannyboy, almost every article there is from the journal "Fluoride", which is an anti-fluoridation group. Do you think there may be some bias in those articles?
GG Interesting that Rickets was called the ""ENGLISH DISEASE"
A little Vitamin D and Improvement in Diet.. Cured rickets as an "epidemic " and would have resulted in significant improvement in Dental Health ..
Diet is probably KEY
Motorway
[/INDENT]So, you don't have to be an Einstein to see a correlation between the proliferation of fluoride and fluoridation which coinsides with the proliferation of serious health issues from Iodine deficiency.
Whereas some fluoride products can have a medicinal effect to repair poor health issues on an individual level, mass fluoridation certainly has some big issues with the holistic efficiency of Public Health cost-benifits and impartial (no conflict of interest) research and advice.
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