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If you are going to claim something I have posted is incorrect, as you did earlier, you have the equal opportunity to do so.actually you have rarely, if ever, provided any sort of links or supporting evidence for your frequently innacurate claims.
Despite some improvement since the early 1990's, high proportions of recently-arrived migrants remain dependent on unemployment benefits. Contrary to most analysts' expectations, there is evidence that disadvantaged migrants are becoming more, rather than less, residentially concentrated.
helicart, I suggest you read Dr Mukherjee definive works in these areas. I summarised the odd 100 pages of his seminal work on this topic to make it easy for you and a few other to understand.
Less obvious "lies" (by inference) exist within the title of the thread, and many of the gung ho posts that give it life. For example, migration is controlled tightly, and there really is no flood. On the other hand, illegal immigrants are a different issue, and border protection is presently topical.
Within posts there are many inferences that go unchallenged, and readers will often assume a fact when none exists. Here's a classic example; "Julia don't they make more than the retirees?" The inference is that refugees get more than retirees. The fact is that a refugee will attract a social security benefit at exactly the same rate as any other eligible beneficiary warranting that entitlement.
Perhaps I should have read Julia's link instead of asking an innocent question.Saying it doesn't make it so. Check Immigration Dept website or Centrelink if you're not satisfied with the link I offered.
Regards
Julia
Thanks Bob.nice to know a realist
I never claimed migrants from non-English countries did better.actually the data doesn't substantiate your points.
Detailed data are difficult to source. The most recent data are at the ABS link I posted earlier.well it is all retrospective isn't it. you are arguing that from now, we adopt higher levels of migration and a softer ....
Detailed data are difficult to source. The most recent data are at the ABS link I posted earlier.
In relation to what I am "arguing", in this thread it will be mostly that common misconceptions lead to generalizations that ultimately are found to be without strong - or any - foundation.
Your 2nd point is a good demonstration of what I would challenge. It's so logically flawed it becomes laughable.
Back to the topic , how many boats loads of illegal immigrants would you say enough is enough e.g. 50 , 100 , 1000 ?
You can call them refugees if you like ..
Your second point should stand alone. The first sentence of that point is the key to its logical fallacy.My 2nd point is validated by my first and third points, in addition to the experience of advanced European welfare economies that naively followed your bleeding heart line of taking in more migrants carte blanche....
According to your line, if a little of something (humanitarian migrant intake) is good, then we should have a lot more..... You and your equally ignorant ASF minions would be laughed out of Europe with that line of undergraduate twaddle.
You really have no idea why infrastructure isn't keeping up with population growth do you.....
I would hate to provide an answer that needed explanation more than once, BobbyLooks like rederob missed the above , so lets try again .
Come on how many ?
Australia has more than adequate infrastructure to accommodate a significantly larger population than it has. .
Your second point should stand alone. The first sentence of that point is the key to its logical fallacy.
poppyscock....you are just plying vacuous puffery for lack of insight....
What work are unskilled nesb's supposed to do when they get here?
Like Europe, there's many reasons not to increase intake of them now as opposed to 30+ years ago.
- we are no longer a manufacturing economy therefore have little need for unskilled workers. Further, we can get all the unskilled workers we need domestically (from the growing boganization welfare, divorce, and socialist values is causing) and from NZ.
- welfare is a disincentive for culturally challenged nesb migrants to work (read some European experience literature) and refer to the unemployment rates I quoted above...
- our compex tax and regulatory system is a disincentive for nesb migrant self employment.....and tax evasion when they are.
- we continue to export unskilled jobs overseas, not only manufacturing but IT, call centres etc where labor is cheaper because they don't have welfare states...
- there's few unskilled jobs requiring the use of one's hands alone. .....as Gittin's article elaborated, plant and equipment is required for most unskilled jobs....and Australia already relies on excessive foreign funding of private sector capital requirements......due to banks making an easier profit out of the resi property bubble.
As I keep saying, the European experience is a real life model of where your deluded beliefs lead....and Europe is fast backtracking.......
The higher the welfare burden, the higher the tax burden, and the less internationally competitive our wages are for skilled labour, hence the brain drain...
According to my line our humanitarian intake is meagre according to our nation's wealth. Poorer nations continue to support refugees better than Australia does.
According to your line, Australia should drop its standard of living so guys like you can have warm and fuzzies.
Your view is subversive and racist in that you consider 3rd world citizens so intellectually and physically challenged, that they can't organize themselves into large groups, fight for a better future for their countries (pakistan and afghanistan), exercise restraint from bonking long enough to bring down their populations to sustainable levels (sudan and most sub Sahara), and get on with a democratic free market economy.....
though why bother when you can fast track into a developed nation hey Chairman Red?
Fighting for what you get helps build the character to value it and keep it....but seeing you took the convenient short cut, I understand that you don't get it....
Our nation only appears wealthy to leftie goons Chairman.....We can't even self fund our mining sector's growth. Capital has to be borrowed from overseas, or more equity sold to foreign interests...
But these are subjects not understood by socialists from cultures without a history of successful free markets...
Infrastructure is about commitment and cost, occasionally matched with need. Australia recently squandered the best years of its economic history, leaving infrastructure spend significantly to the private sector.
Yeah all that wealth was spent on welfare.....servicing debt on higher property prices brought about by dill left enviro nazi anti development government...
Sometimes a visionary government does a Snowy, or Ord, or Burdekin. But nowadays the bean counters intervene and put the kibosh on nation building infrastructure. Except for a national water grid, Australia has more than adequate infrastructure to accommodate a significantly larger population than it has. China is living proof of what can be done to put infrastructure in place, if need be.
A logical fallacy. Now that is words working.Your second point should stand alone. The first sentence of that point is the key to its logical fallacy.
The beauty of capitalism is that private enterprise does what a Marxist society would do. Now, that is not to say governments should not do anything about infrastructure. I support any goverment funding for infrastructure and the like. Giving handouts just to secure votes is totally wrong and squanders wealth.Infrastructure is about commitment and cost, occasionally matched with need. Australia recently squandered the best years of its economic history, leaving infrastructure spend significantly to the private sector.
Our last great leader was Sir Robert menzies. Since then, downhill.Sometimes a visionary government does a Snowy, or Ord, or Burdekin. But nowadays the bean counters intervene and put the kibosh on nation building infrastructure. Except for a national water grid, Australia has more than adequate infrastructure to accommodate a significantly larger population than it has. China is living proof of what can be done to put infrastructure in place, if need be.
Paul Maley | April 27, 2009
Article from: The Australian
A TOP Sri Lankan official has played down the concerns of the Rudd Government that fighting in Sri Lanka could provoke an exodus of boatpeople from the country, saying most refugees were too poor to afford the journey.
Sri Lanka's high commissioner to Australia, Senaka Walgampaya, said most potential refugees in Sri Lanka did not have enough money to pay people-smugglers.
As the Opposition yesterday renewed its attack on the Government's handling of the boatpeople issue, Mr Walgampaya said most of the Sri Lankan asylum seekers who had arrived in Australia had been Sinhalese economic migrants.
Referring to those affected by the fighting in Sri Lanka, he said: "These people don't have the financial resources to pay anybody to smuggle them into Australia. The people who have the financial resources have earlier left these areas."
rederob,
A logical fallacy. Now that is words working.
Refugees 'too poor' to pay smugglers
An economic asylum seeker is one who would prefer to get welfare in Australia to working at home. Unfortunately this applies to a few billion people.
Perhaps I should have used the sarcasm icon Helicart, but I can see how it will be misinterpreted.methinks you are too generous Snake.
All fallacies are logical by nature. Chairman's redundant phraseology just reveal his compromised education in science, philosophy and logic.
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