Ethics, phone tapping and the Murdoch press

[Garpal Gumnut]

I read the Australian every edition and find it the fairest of all the dailies in Australia.

I have read the Age and the SMH when in Melbourne or Sydney Platinum lounges, but prefer the Australian when home.

The Fairfax media are so left wing, and hairy legged feminist left, with it. It beggars belief that they still manage to sell an edition.

With all the heat on Murdoch at present, if there is any tapping done anywhere in Australia, by any journalist, we will know about it.

Remember the Australian supported Rudd against Howard, I didn't agree with it, but still read the comment and the reasons why.

The Australian has high ethical principles, and is not afraid to push the debate. Fairfax are slavish followers of fashion and lack mongrel.

gg

 

[orr]

Your probably right, to much priori , my indoctrinations were purposely thawted. I work more along the lines of Adam Smiths 'Moral Sentiments', Popper, Marx, Jung. but if he works for you.
Anything you'd like to add on the corruption? It's level, It's implications and its coverage a certain stable of 'organs'

 

[Knobby22]

Latest nasty stuff.

4 staff arrested for bribing police who work for the London Sun arm of this unethical company. At least Newscorp are co-operating this time and seem to have learnt their lesson.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-...staff-police-officer/3798542?section=business

UK detectives have searched the offices of Rupert Murdoch's The Sun and arrested four journalists and a policeman in a widening probe into the bribing of police for information.

The development finally drags Britain's biggest-selling newspaper into the turmoil at Mr Murdoch's empire, after its stablemate the News of the World was shut down in disgrace in July amid a scandal over phone hacking.

Mr Murdoch's US-based News Corporation confirmed that the four journalists arrested either worked or used to work at The Sun.

Police said they made the arrests after information was provided to police by News Corporation - in what commentators said was a clear effort by the company to detoxify the brand.

The BBC and the Guardian newspaper named the arrested Sun journalists as former deputy editor Fergus Shanahan, former managing editor Graham Dudman, current crime editor Mike Sullivan and current head of news Chris Pharo.

 

[Knobby22]

Anyone watch the Graeme Norton show this week?

Jo Brand and Hugh Grant were very funny but couldn't help themselves slamming Newscorp. Hugh is very happy that so many of the Newscorp staff have gone to jail but he insinuated that he wouldn't mind seeing them get worse.

Jo Brand has a case to hate Newscorp, because she said something bad about them when they were powerful 15 years ago. They picked on her horribly again and again calling her a lesbian among other things. When she got married, The Sun printed the following headline on the front page "Fat, Ugly Lesbian gets married"

By the way, the FBI have said they are now looking into Newscorp and today the Fairfax's AFR have stated that English and Australian Federal Police are working together over activities in Australia.

http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L

The pathetic hate vitriol against Fairfax in the Newscorp press can be expected to continue.

 

[Knobby22]

Looks like Murdoch did a deal with Cameron to nobble the BBC (their competitor) before this whole thing blew up. Nearly got away with it.

They would love to do the same in this country with the ABC I am sure.

The corruption in Britain leads to police, public servants, politicians, Editor, a CEO, a total of 50 arrests at present.

Rupert says "I never asked a PM for any favours". Everyone knows you don't ask directly, you work through intermediaries, especially if dealing with corruption."

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/murdoch-a-threat-to-cameron-20120426-1xnxl.html

 

[Miss Hale]

Rupert says "I never asked a PM for any favours". Everyone knows you don't ask directly, you work through intermediaries, especially if dealing with corruption."

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/murdoch-a-threat-to-cameron-20120426-1xnxl.html

So why ask the question? I've been impressed with Rupert Murdoch's performance at this 'inquisition' and think he aquitted himself very well. I noted that in The Age yesterday they said he became testy, when I saw the footage on the TV later I thought he was nothing of the sort!

 

[basilio]

So why ask the question? I've been impressed with Rupert Murdoch's performance at this 'inquisition' and think he aquitted himself very well. I noted that in The Age yesterday they said he became testy, when I saw the footage on the TV later I thought he was nothing of the sort!

He lied through his teeth Miss Hale. Either that or he demonstrated monumental incompetence as head of News Corp.

There are many, many people who can directly prove Rupert Murdochs deceit. Worth checking The Guardian to see a range of these stories.

Just to back track a bit. The first expose ans convictions for phone tapping happened in 2006. Despite the criminality of these actions (and the risk to News Corp) Rupert Murdoch allowed phone tapping to continue and flourish. He believed he was too powerful to be brought to account and/or he could make the charges disappear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking?INTCMP=SRCH&INTCMP=SRCH

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Probably worth checking the initial comments in this forum to appreciate what News Corp had been up to.

 

[Calliope]

There are many, many people who can directly prove Rupert Murdochs deceit. Worth checking The Guardian to see a range of these stories.

Your favourite rag - "The Manchester Pravda."

And Knobby gets his biases from the "Pravda on The Yarra," The Age, and the SMH. Naturally the Fairfax Press will print anything detrimental to News Ltd in their vendetta against The Australian

 

[Knobby22]

Your favourite rag - "The Manchester Pravda."

And Knobby gets his biases from the "Pravda on The Yarra," The Age, and the SMH. Naturally the Fairfax Press will print anything detrimental to News Ltd in their vendetta against The Australian

That's a good example.
Avoid the facts and issues and argue the man, pathetic.
You should get a job with him.

 

[Miss Hale]

He lied through his teeth Miss Hale. Either that or he demonstrated monumental incompetence as head of News Corp.

There are many, many people who can directly prove Rupert Murdochs deceit. Worth checking The Guardian to see a range of these stories.

Just to back track a bit. The first expose ans convictions for phone tapping happened in 2006. Despite the criminality of these actions (and the risk to News Corp) Rupert Murdoch allowed phone tapping to continue and flourish. He believed he was too powerful to be brought to account and/or he could make the charges disappear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking?INTCMP=SRCH&INTCMP=SRCH

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Probably worth checking the initial comments in this forum to appreciate what News Corp had been up to.

So If he's lied then what is the point of the inquiry? Especially if there are people that can prove his deceit - case over already surely. The whole things reeks of witchhunt to me.

The Guardian is well known to be biased and they have been wrong on some of the facts of this case so not a reliable source of information.

Yes, I had already read the initial comments on the thread.

 

[basilio]

As I understand it people called before the inquiry would be under oath. In the case of Rupert Murdoch and his staff they have to publicly explain the evidence of thousands of phone hacking acts, intimidation, blackmail and fabrication of stories.

All done to sell papers and keep News Ltd on top of the heap.

The facts about the phone tapping were detailed over 6 years ago when Hugh Grant and many other high profile people had the allegations proven in court. News Ltd started paying out huge sums of compensation.

Yet despite these outcomes they continued hacking peoples phones and Rupert Murdoch chose to ignore the issue believing he could just tough it out.

The Leveson public inquiry was forced onto the Cameron government when The Guardian showed that the phone of a teenage murder victim had been hacked by News of the World in its determination to create a story. The public outrage was finally sufficient to force the inquiry.

Regardless of Calliopes pavlovian reflex dribble the facts of the phone hacking and other crimes have been well established. What the inquiry is trying to do is establish how the senior management of News Limited can explain their inaction over the years. Somewhere along the line they may get the the point of asking whether the management are fit and proper people to be in charge of news organisations.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

My belief is that all this kerfuffle will pass over.

Rupert is truly Keith Murdoch's son.

It is the British Political Class vs The Murdochs

The Murdoch clan will learn from this, and continue to deliver high grade news to the masses.

gg

 

[Calliope]

Somewhere along the line they may get the the point of asking whether the management are fit and proper people to be in charge of news organisations.

That's what it's all about. Any excuse to muzzle that section of the press which is not leftist like you.

And Knobby when you say "Avoid the facts and issues and argue the man" do you mean "the facts" according to the Fairfax Press? Pathetic.

 

[Knobby22]

That's what it's all about. Any excuse to muzzle that section of the press which is not leftist like you.

And Knobby when you say "Avoid the facts and issues and argue the man" do you mean "the facts" according to the Fairfax Press? Pathetic.

Your the one attacking the free press, not me.

You obviously didn't read the article, just relying on predjudice.it was in the Fairfax Press but it was written by an English Newspaper that wasn't the Guardian.

Did you know Cameron, the Prime Minister met with Murdoch on his yacht and there are at least 3 lines of criminal inquiry heading to Cameron. Did you know one of his ministers had to resign once Murdoch influence was shown to affect his behaviour on public policy. What about the deal to cut the BBC from funding?

You are saying it is the left, it is NOT!
What about Rudd, why did he meet Murdoch and then set him up to get the Australian channel? A foreigner owning the Australian channel???

Murdoch is a blight on demoracy.

Maybe instead of wanting the ABC, the independant media and SBS to be ignored, you could try getting your information from other sources that are not owned by Murdoch!!

 

[Knobby22]

So If he's lied then what is the point of the inquiry? Especially if there are people that can prove his deceit - case over already surely. The whole things reeks of witchhunt to me.

The Guardian is well known to be biased and they have been wrong on some of the facts of this case so not a reliable source of information.

Yes, I had already read the initial comments on the thread.

You must be joking.
With all the lies in the Murdoch press occurring and the revelations discovered by the Guardian, you attack the credibilty of the Guardian? Don't you know if they got a fact wrong, Rupert would take them to litigation in 10 seconds flat. If I am wrong back up your statement otherwise I will conclude you get your sources from the Murdoch press also.

As previously advised, the FBI are now looking into Murdoch also. I think there will be a lot more coming out yet.

 

[Calliope]

Your the one attacking the free press, not me.

You are obviously in agreement with Gillard, Conroy and Brown in their hate campaign against The Australian for fighting a losing battle in trying to keep these bastards honest.

You are saying it is the left, it is NOT!
What about Rudd, why did he meet Murdoch and then set him up to get the Australian channel? A foreigner owning the Australian channel??

That's because Rudd would do anything to get a favourable press. What channel are you talking about? The one Conroy fraudulently gave to the ABC?

 

[Macquack]

Murdoch is a blight on democracy.

Agree 100% with Knobby.

The problem is, politicians come and go, but a media tyrant like Murdoch keeps plundering on, perpetually influencing governments for his own benefit.

 

[Calliope]

Agree 100% with Knobby.

The problem is, politicians come and go, but a media tyrant like Murdoch keeps plundering on, perpetually influencing governments for his own benefit.

Of course you do Macquack. He's a class enemy - a capitalist pig.

 

[orr]

He's a class enemy - a capitalist pig.

He's in charge of an organisation that has had How many of its staff and operatives arrested to date, and to what level of that organisation.
And on what charges ;Illegal communications Breaches
Bribery of police up the level of commissioner
Blackmail

and you charge the Guardian with telling people. Who from the Guardian's been arrested?
And no their not going to front some Stalinist show trial, Their going before, with all its faults, one of the most refined systems of Justice on the planet. Thats whats's worrying them.

 

[basilio]

Surprise, surprise, surprise... Rupert Murdoch not a fit person to head an international company. Who would have thought that ?

News Corp tycoon Rupert Murdoch 'not fit' to run company, MPs say

May 1 2012

MEDIA mogul Rupert Murdoch is not "a fit person" to run a major international corporation, a committee of MPs said today.

In a devastating report into the News of the World phone-hacking scandal, the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee accused the News Corp chief of exhibiting "wilful blindness" towards the wrongdoing in his organisation.

It said News Corp had been guilty of "huge failings of corporate governance" and that throughout its instinct had been "to cover up rather than seek out wrongdoing and discipline the perpetrators".

The report accused three former senior executives of News Corp's UK newspaper publishing arm News International - Les Hinton, Colin Myler, and Tom Crone - of misleading the committee during its inquiries into the scandal.

And it said that Rupert Murdoch's son James had demonstrated "wilful ignorance" about what had been going on, which "clearly raises questions of competence" on his part.

The most damning judgment was reserved for Rupert Murdoch.

"On the basis of the facts and evidence before the committee, we conclude that, if at all relevant times Rupert Murdoch did not take steps to become fully informed about phone hacking, he turned a blind eye and exhibited wilful blindness to what was going on in his companies and publications," the report said.

"This culture, we consider, permeated from the top throughout the organisation and speaks volumes about the lack of effective corporate governance at News Corporation and News International.

"We conclude, therefore, that Rupert Murdoch is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/u...ws-corp-says-committee-of-mps-86908-23843900/

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmcumeds/903/903i.pdf
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