Garpal Gumnut
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Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!doctorj said:As with all things, there are two sides of the story. Here is an interview with someone from Sea Shepherd which tells the other side that was broadcast on JJJ today.
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/podcast/monday.htm
It frustrates me they claim it's scientific. What will the 20,000th whale tell them the first 19,999 didn't? If you're going violate international law for years and years, you should atleast have the balls to be honest about what you're doing.
We're tough on Indonesians catching common fish in our waters using a rickety old boat to sell in order to provide for their family. Why aren't we as tough on the Japanese Whalers?
Bobby said:Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!
As I say this is 12 month old information., but yesterday, they interviewed schoolkids who were trying it for the first time, and saying "yes , very nice, yes must have more whalemeat in future etc."http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1567589.htm
Japan using whale meat for dog food: report
Japan's stock of whale meat from hunting for scientific research is so large that the country has begun selling it as dog food, a leading marine conservation organisation says.
British-based charity the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS) says Japan's whale meat stocks had doubled over the past 10 years as it increased the number of animals it killed every year, despite a global ban on commercial hunting.
"Whaling is a cruel activity and the fact that Japan is killing these amazing animals to produce dog food is shocking," WDCS science director Mark Simmonds said.
"We have heard many arguments from Japan over the years about why whaling is necessary to them but they have never stated that they needed to kill whales to feed their dogs."
Japan abandoned commercial whaling in 1986, in line with an international moratorium, but began catching whales again the following year for what it calls scientific research. The WDCS says Japan's stockpile of whale meat stood at 4,800 tonnes last year compared with 673 tonnes in March 1998, and that this year it had doubled its hunt of minke whales as well as adding humpback and fin whales to the tally. It estimated this could add a further 1,700 tonnes of whale meat to the already bursting warehouses.
In an attempt to shift the rising whale meat mountains, Japan had already resorted to subsidising sales of whale burgers and whale meat in school menus, but prices were falling steadily due to the surplus. etc .
As someone said before (Smurf I think) the food wars are about to start - starting with the "harvesting of the seas".http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1847088.htm
Meeting hears IWC should split into hunting, conservation bodies
By Tokyo correspondent Shane McLeod and BBC
There are suggestions the International Whaling Commission (IWC) could be split into separate bodies dealing with whale hunting and conservation. The idea is being canvassed at a meeting calling on the IWC to be reformed.
Japan invited all 72 members of the IWC to the meeting in Tokyo - but fewer than half have turned up. Anti-whaling nations Australian and Britain have boycotted the talks.
Iceland's commissioner for whaling, Stefan Asmundsson, is attending the conference and says the boycott may lead to the demise of the organisation. "The IWC has not been functioning very well for a number of years. It's very polarised," he said.
It is an obstruction act, and two crew slight injury in the scientific research program on minke whales ship.
The bottle etc. were thrown out to the scientific research program on minke whales ship of Japan that did the scientific research program on minke whales by the Antarctic Ocean by the ship of environmentalists in the United States, and two Japanese crew did a light injury.
Two ships of environmentalists "She shepherd" of the United States approached scientific research program on minke whales ship "..Nissin.. round" of Japan that acted by the Antarctic Ocean, the bottle was thrown out, and a smoking bullet was launched before dawn of the ninth in Japan standard time.
In this case, two Japanese crew did a light injury by liquid that existed in the bottle catching its eye.
The She shepherd is known by doing a violent protest activity in the group that opposes the whale fishing.
The Fishery Agency in Japan is commenting, "She shepherd's obstruction act is extremely dangerous, and hope of discontinuance at once".
Dukey said:"The She shepherd is known by doing a violent protest activity in the group that opposes the whale fishing. The Fishery Agency in Japan is commenting, "She shepherd's obstruction act is extremely dangerous, and hope of discontinuance at once".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd
The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is a non-profit, self-proclaimed policing organization that claims to undertake campaigns guided by the United Nations World Charter for Nature (1982) and other statutary laws protecting marine species and environments.[1][2] It is a non-governmental, primarily maritime organization. Paul Watson founded the society in 1977 after Watson, one of the three founders of Greenpeace, concluded that "bearing witness" to environmental damage was an inadequate response compared to actual enforcement of international laws, regulations, and treaties.
Sea Shepherd is more confrontational than Greenpeace.[4] Paul Watson has since referred to Greenpeace as "The Avon ladies of the environmental movement."
Sea Shepherd is based in Friday Harbor, Washington, in the United States, and has a fleet of vessels it calls "Neptune's Navy": the three ships Farley Mowat, the Robert Hunter and the Sirenian, as well as several smaller boats.[5] Operations include interdiction against whaling in Antarctic waters, patrols of the Galapagos Islands, and action against Canadian seal hunters.[4][3][6][7] Sea Shepherd has an affiliated organization, O.R.C.A. Force the president of which is Paul Watson.
Ships that Sea Shepherd claim to have sunk. Sea Shepherd claims to have sunk ten whaling ships since 1979 referring to these ships by the political epithet "pirates".
Whaling ship on fire in Antarctica
A Japanese whaling ship in Antarctica has reported a fire below decks and one crew member is missing. Maritime New Zealand spokesman Lindsay Sturt says it does not appear the 8,000-tonne processing ship Nisshin Maru is in danger of sinking.
"At the moment there is one crewman unaccounted for, everybody else has been transferred to three of the other whaling ships," he said. "The fact they have 20 people still on board means they still have some hope of containing it."
The fire is believed to have started in the engine room. Steve Corbett from Maritime New Zealand told Newsradio a call was received about 4am. "They haven't relayed any distress signal, they've just simply let us know that they have a problem and they're dealing with it," he said. "We're just standing by to see if they need an further assistance."
Mr Corbett says the fire has nothing to do with anti-whaling protests by the Sea Shepherd Society, which has recently clashed with the whaling fleet.
New Zealand Conservation Minister, Chris Carter, told a press conference in Wellington that the ship was in the Ross Sea, about 100 nautical miles from the coast, and 265 nautical miles from the US McMurdo and NZ Scott bases on Ross Island.
He said the Nisshin Maru was carrying up to 1000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil.
"Our priority is to work with the Japanese fleet to get the Nisshin Maru's crew to safety. However, we are also gravely concerned about the environmental risk to Antarctica's pristine environment if the ship is sufficiently damaged to begin leaking oil."
Chops a must,chops_a_must said:What gets me, is that Japan has ignored repeated calls by Australia and New Zealand to stop whaling in our oceans. Now that they are in trouble... who are they looking to to help them out? What a joke! Let the bastards drown. They shouldn't be there in the first place.
But the problem with whaling is a deep one. And this is why I don't believe in political correctness, because I wouldn't be able to say what I am going to. Japanese culture is to blame. The total lack of self-criticism, total lack of self-reflection is the reason why Japan continually has trouble with its international relations. And this is no exception. If the Japanese people actually had knowledge of its past, they would realise that whaling wasn't important until after World War II (which of course didn't happen) because of a lack of food. And the problem with Japanese people not questioning anything, ultimately leads them to accepting the slaughter of endangered animals. It is so frustrating, it's like dealing with religious types... exactly same problem.
mrWoodo said:I agree 100% Chops. Ingrained into Asian culture is the deep dishonour and 'loss of face' if politicians are to back down / reverse their position. In the west, well it's part of a politicians job description
Self-criticism is lacking, all the way from this whale nonsense, through to apologizing for sex slaves of the war.
A classic line from a Japanese fisheries official a while back was his "whales are the cockroaches of the sea" and that they must be killed to protect the fish !!! It's that attitude that is going to keep the whaling issue going for years, unfortunately.
Garpal Gumnut said:I agree with much of what you and Chops say, my point is though, that these environmental activists are just as malign and one-eyed as the Japs., sorry the Japanese.
Garpal
wayneL said:Garpal,
The problem is that "terrorism" is the new catch-all phrase to describe anything someone disagrees with.
Environmental "terrorism"? Puleeeze!
We need to be aware of how politicians program us with language.
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