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Environmental Terrorism

Garpal Gumnut

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I think these people have crossed the line as to what is legitimate protest into what is dangerous testosterone driven aggression. Following is from ABC Australia


Garpal



Environment group labelled terrorists following collision

The Japanese whaling fleet has labelled environmental protesters as "terrorists" and "pirates" after a collision in the Southern Ocean.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's ship, the Robert Hunter, collided with the Japanese spotting ship, Kaiko Maru, near the Ross Sea earlier today.

The Japanese ship is stranded with a damaged propeller, while the Robert Hunter reportedly received a gash in its hull. Both crew are blaming each other for the crash.

Hideki Moronuki from the Japan Fisheries Agency says they are concerned for the safety of crew and scientists after Sea Shepherd reportedly threw smoke pots and nets onto the Kaiko Maru - damaging its propeller.

He says the group must take responsibility for the crash.

"Sea Shepherd should immediately stop their pirate and terrorist activities," he said.

"Every time they distribute this false and misleading information, and this time again it is the Robert Hunter that collided with one of our research vessels."

Mr Moronuki says the Kaiko Maru is not involved in killing any whales as part of Japan's whaling research program.

"Everybody should be aware that the Kaiko Maru is the research vessel only for conducting sighting survey," he said.

"[There is] no lethal research activity, [we are] dedicated for non-lethal sighting survey. So there is no reason to be attacked by Sea Shepherd."

But Sea Shepherd says it is now considering using another ship, the Farley Mowat, to ram the slipway of a whaler.

Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson says they are prepared to ram one of the Japanese ships in the next 24 hours if the Australian and New Zealand governments do not agree to do more to protect whales in the Southern Ocean.

"If they can come down here and arrest poachers who are going after toothfish, they can certainly come down here and stop whalers who are illegally killing whales," he said.

"If we obstruct their slipway, just ram our slip into their slipway, then they're not going to be loading any whales."
Violence condemned

But the violence has been condemned by the Australian Government and Greenpeace.

Federal Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull is urging the group to avoid dangerous confrontations with the Japanese fleet, saying it is unacceptable for any vessel to threaten or use violence against other ships at sea.

Greenpeace Oceans spokesman John Bowler says the organisation will not support violent attempts to stop whaling near Antarctica.

"We have heard conflicting reports of course, Sea Shepherd is saying they were rammed by the whalers, the whalers saying that it was Sea Shepherd's fault," he said.

"It 's always hard to know in these instances, but we would say and we do call on all parties there to be careful - it's a dangerous environment that we are in and nobody is there to create martyrs."

Mr Bowler says Greenpeace has called for the protesters to focus on slaughter ships - not research ships.

He says it is important the actual whaling fleet is tracked down, not just sighting ships, like the Kaiko Maru.

"It is not one of the ship's that actually uses a harpoon to kill them, so that could be happening somewhere over the horizon while this ship is down in the ice with Sea Shepherd," he said.

The Greenpeace ship Esperanza is yet to locate the whaling fleet.
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As with all things, there are two sides of the story. Here is an interview with someone from Sea Shepherd which tells the other side that was broadcast on JJJ today.

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/podcast/monday.htm

It frustrates me they claim it's scientific. What will the 20,000th whale tell them the first 19,999 didn't? If you're going violate international law for years and years, you should atleast have the balls to be honest about what you're doing.

We're tough on Indonesians catching common fish in our waters using a rickety old boat to sell in order to provide for their family. Why aren't we as tough on the Japanese Whalers?
 
Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!

Bob
 
Bobby said:
Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!

Have to agree that the Japs deserve to be rammed. They have overfished their tuna quotas and deliberately tried to hide it and then flout international law to plunder a resource from an ocean that they have no right to. I can't wait to see the ramifications of legal action taken against the japanese when tuna and whale stocks are too damaged to recover. Something I'm sure will run into the billions.
 
I couldn't care less about legal ramifications! It's just such a shame that in a civilizised society this type of bull@hit still goes on. I wish I and all of the ASF was out there raming there murder ships and sabotaging their operations!
 
So long as neither party involved expects N.Z or Aus. to spend millions running down there to rescue them from their own stupidity should it all go seriously amiss.
 
As someone currently located in Japan - I can confirm that most Japanese I have spoken to - especially the younger ones (say below 50yo) don`t want whaling to continue and dont eat whale meat.
It seems to be only a small proportion of older `traditionalists` who think it`s important to maintain the practice.
Its obvious the `scientific` ruse is just that. But the Japanese media is cr&%$P at these kind of `devisive` stories. Basically the whaling drama just doesn`t get the publicity it should in Japan - I believe this is because the TV stations and newspapers don`t want to rock the boat or potentially upset the polititians.
This may be why the tactics of protest group are getting increasingly desparate - they are trying to force the scandal into the news by creating an international incident.
...And as far as I`m concernd - without significant risk to life - they should go their hardest. J folk have many good traits, but sometimes they - as a culture - are just too naive and need a kick in the butt.
Just my
 
Dukey, we were told yesterday (ABC) that there's a push to introduce whale meat to kids at school - something about "maintaining links with traditional customs and diets" etc.

And here's a news item from Feb 2006 last year...
As I say this is 12 month old information., but yesterday, they interviewed schoolkids who were trying it for the first time, and saying "yes , very nice, yes must have more whalemeat in future etc."

Also (just in ) fewer than half the invited 72 countries have turned up to latest meeting of IWC in Tokyo.
As someone said before (Smurf I think) the food wars are about to start - starting with the "harvesting of the seas".
 
20's - thats scary stuff and news to me - but I'm in Okinawa which tends to be a bit of a backwater.
I can't believe they'd be so stupid as to introduce whale meat into schools - but then again... the Japanese government seems to live in the past so I shouldn't be surprised!! Will have to check it out further.
I teach at an elementary school - & have lunch with a different class everyday. Guess I'll have to start my own anti-whaling propaganda at lunchtime!!
And as for dogfood - thats just a disgrace.
More power to "Sea Whatsit" - seeing noone else has the guts to do anything!!

PS: I notice one of the anti-whaling spokesmen for greenpeace is a Japanese guy too.
 
Just for the curiosity of those reading this thread - here is a computer translation (sorry about that!!) of a Japanese news article covering the recent "sea shepherd" incident.
>> highlights the garbage about how useful the 'scientific whaling' excuse is - as thats all the J. public hear....
>> Also highlights the many difficulties in translating Japanese to English!!


Hows that for pissweak !!!!!!!!
 
Dukey said:
"The She shepherd is known by doing a violent protest activity in the group that opposes the whale fishing. The Fishery Agency in Japan is commenting, "She shepherd's obstruction act is extremely dangerous, and hope of discontinuance at once".

gr8 effort with the jinglish m8 both sides doctoring their spins flat out it seems.
here's another bit of background:-
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1848229.htm
nothing to do with Sea Shepherd, but sorta relevant
 
From SMH :


God that p!sses me off
 
What gets me, is that Japan has ignored repeated calls by Australia and New Zealand to stop whaling in our oceans. Now that they are in trouble... who are they looking to to help them out? What a joke! Let the bastards drown. They shouldn't be there in the first place.

But the problem with whaling is a deep one. And this is why I don't believe in political correctness, because I wouldn't be able to say what I am going to. Japanese culture is to blame. The total lack of self-criticism, total lack of self-reflection is the reason why Japan continually has trouble with its international relations. And this is no exception. If the Japanese people actually had knowledge of its past, they would realise that whaling wasn't important until after World War II (which of course didn't happen) because of a lack of food. And the problem with Japanese people not questioning anything, ultimately leads them to accepting the slaughter of endangered animals. It is so frustrating, it's like dealing with religious types... exactly same problem. The factors that got Japan into so much trouble in the 30s and 40s have not changed today.
 
Chops a must,

Shock horror, I agree with you on this one. The Japanese Government is disgusting in its treatment of whales. To allow whaling under the disguise of research is absolutely ridiculous. One day the way things are going there may not be any left. The world's governments must increase the pressure on Japan and other like minded governments to immediately stop this innocent killing.
 
I agree 100% Chops. Ingrained into Asian culture is the deep dishonour and 'loss of face' if politicians are to back down / reverse their position. In the west, well it's part of a politicians job description

Self-criticism is lacking, all the way from this whale nonsense, through to apologizing for sex slaves of the war.

A classic line from a Japanese fisheries official a while back was his "whales are the cockroaches of the sea" and that they must be killed to protect the fish !!! It's that attitude that is going to keep the whaling issue going for years, unfortunately.
 

I agree with much of what you and Chops say, my point is though, that these environmental activists are just as malign and one-eyed as the Japs., sorry the Japanese.

Garpal
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I agree with much of what you and Chops say, my point is though, that these environmental activists are just as malign and one-eyed as the Japs., sorry the Japanese.

Garpal

Garpal,

The problem is that "terrorism" is the new catch-all phrase to describe anything someone disagrees with.

Environmental "terrorism"? Puleeeze!

We need to be aware of how politicians program us with language.
 
wayneL said:
Garpal,

The problem is that "terrorism" is the new catch-all phrase to describe anything someone disagrees with.

Environmental "terrorism"? Puleeeze!

We need to be aware of how politicians program us with language.

Dear wayneL,

Language changes constantly, life's drama doesn't. I'm sure both the Japs,. sorry the Japanese, and the Aggressive Greenies would have been put sitting in Lady Macbeth's tent by the great bard, if he were alive and writing today.

Garpal
 
i guess if someone stuck a hook into you and reeled you in kicking and screaming into a mobile slaughterhouse you might politely call them a terrorist..
 
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