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Garpal Gumnut

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I think these people have crossed the line as to what is legitimate protest into what is dangerous testosterone driven aggression. Following is from ABC Australia


Garpal



Environment group labelled terrorists following collision

The Japanese whaling fleet has labelled environmental protesters as "terrorists" and "pirates" after a collision in the Southern Ocean.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's ship, the Robert Hunter, collided with the Japanese spotting ship, Kaiko Maru, near the Ross Sea earlier today.

The Japanese ship is stranded with a damaged propeller, while the Robert Hunter reportedly received a gash in its hull. Both crew are blaming each other for the crash.

Hideki Moronuki from the Japan Fisheries Agency says they are concerned for the safety of crew and scientists after Sea Shepherd reportedly threw smoke pots and nets onto the Kaiko Maru - damaging its propeller.

He says the group must take responsibility for the crash.

"Sea Shepherd should immediately stop their pirate and terrorist activities," he said.

"Every time they distribute this false and misleading information, and this time again it is the Robert Hunter that collided with one of our research vessels."

Mr Moronuki says the Kaiko Maru is not involved in killing any whales as part of Japan's whaling research program.

"Everybody should be aware that the Kaiko Maru is the research vessel only for conducting sighting survey," he said.

"[There is] no lethal research activity, [we are] dedicated for non-lethal sighting survey. So there is no reason to be attacked by Sea Shepherd."

But Sea Shepherd says it is now considering using another ship, the Farley Mowat, to ram the slipway of a whaler.

Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson says they are prepared to ram one of the Japanese ships in the next 24 hours if the Australian and New Zealand governments do not agree to do more to protect whales in the Southern Ocean.

"If they can come down here and arrest poachers who are going after toothfish, they can certainly come down here and stop whalers who are illegally killing whales," he said.

"If we obstruct their slipway, just ram our slip into their slipway, then they're not going to be loading any whales."
Violence condemned

But the violence has been condemned by the Australian Government and Greenpeace.

Federal Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull is urging the group to avoid dangerous confrontations with the Japanese fleet, saying it is unacceptable for any vessel to threaten or use violence against other ships at sea.

Greenpeace Oceans spokesman John Bowler says the organisation will not support violent attempts to stop whaling near Antarctica.

"We have heard conflicting reports of course, Sea Shepherd is saying they were rammed by the whalers, the whalers saying that it was Sea Shepherd's fault," he said.

"It 's always hard to know in these instances, but we would say and we do call on all parties there to be careful - it's a dangerous environment that we are in and nobody is there to create martyrs."

Mr Bowler says Greenpeace has called for the protesters to focus on slaughter ships - not research ships.

He says it is important the actual whaling fleet is tracked down, not just sighting ships, like the Kaiko Maru.

"It is not one of the ship's that actually uses a harpoon to kill them, so that could be happening somewhere over the horizon while this ship is down in the ice with Sea Shepherd," he said.

The Greenpeace ship Esperanza is yet to locate the whaling fleet.
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As with all things, there are two sides of the story. Here is an interview with someone from Sea Shepherd which tells the other side that was broadcast on JJJ today.

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/podcast/monday.htm

It frustrates me they claim it's scientific. What will the 20,000th whale tell them the first 19,999 didn't? If you're going violate international law for years and years, you should atleast have the balls to be honest about what you're doing.

We're tough on Indonesians catching common fish in our waters using a rickety old boat to sell in order to provide for their family. Why aren't we as tough on the Japanese Whalers?
 
doctorj said:
As with all things, there are two sides of the story. Here is an interview with someone from Sea Shepherd which tells the other side that was broadcast on JJJ today.

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/podcast/monday.htm

It frustrates me they claim it's scientific. What will the 20,000th whale tell them the first 19,999 didn't? If you're going violate international law for years and years, you should atleast have the balls to be honest about what you're doing.

We're tough on Indonesians catching common fish in our waters using a rickety old boat to sell in order to provide for their family. Why aren't we as tough on the Japanese Whalers?
Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!

Bob
 
Bobby said:
Yes Doctorj, Whales feel pain just like we do, if i had enough money I'd have subs to torpedo their murder ships!

Have to agree that the Japs deserve to be rammed. They have overfished their tuna quotas and deliberately tried to hide it and then flout international law to plunder a resource from an ocean that they have no right to. I can't wait to see the ramifications of legal action taken against the japanese when tuna and whale stocks are too damaged to recover. Something I'm sure will run into the billions.
 
I couldn't care less about legal ramifications! It's just such a shame that in a civilizised society this type of bull@hit still goes on. I wish I and all of the ASF was out there raming there murder ships and sabotaging their operations!
 
So long as neither party involved expects N.Z or Aus. to spend millions running down there to rescue them from their own stupidity should it all go seriously amiss.
 
As someone currently located in Japan - I can confirm that most Japanese I have spoken to - especially the younger ones (say below 50yo) don`t want whaling to continue and dont eat whale meat.
It seems to be only a small proportion of older `traditionalists` who think it`s important to maintain the practice.
Its obvious the `scientific` ruse is just that. But the Japanese media is cr&%$P at these kind of `devisive` stories. Basically the whaling drama just doesn`t get the publicity it should in Japan - I believe this is because the TV stations and newspapers don`t want to rock the boat or potentially upset the polititians.
This may be why the tactics of protest group are getting increasingly desparate - they are trying to force the scandal into the news by creating an international incident.
...And as far as I`m concernd - without significant risk to life - they should go their hardest. J folk have many good traits, but sometimes they - as a culture - are just too naive and need a kick in the butt.
Just my :2twocents :)
 
Dukey, we were told yesterday (ABC) that there's a push to introduce whale meat to kids at school - something about "maintaining links with traditional customs and diets" etc. :(

And here's a news item from Feb 2006 last year...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1567589.htm
Japan using whale meat for dog food: report
Japan's stock of whale meat from hunting for scientific research is so large that the country has begun selling it as dog food, a leading marine conservation organisation says.

British-based charity the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS) says Japan's whale meat stocks had doubled over the past 10 years as it increased the number of animals it killed every year, despite a global ban on commercial hunting.

"Whaling is a cruel activity and the fact that Japan is killing these amazing animals to produce dog food is shocking," WDCS science director Mark Simmonds said.

"We have heard many arguments from Japan over the years about why whaling is necessary to them but they have never stated that they needed to kill whales to feed their dogs."

Japan abandoned commercial whaling in 1986, in line with an international moratorium, but began catching whales again the following year for what it calls scientific research. The WDCS says Japan's stockpile of whale meat stood at 4,800 tonnes last year compared with 673 tonnes in March 1998, and that this year it had doubled its hunt of minke whales as well as adding humpback and fin whales to the tally. It estimated this could add a further 1,700 tonnes of whale meat to the already bursting warehouses.

In an attempt to shift the rising whale meat mountains, Japan had already resorted to subsidising sales of whale burgers and whale meat in school menus, but prices were falling steadily due to the surplus. etc .
As I say this is 12 month old information., but yesterday, they interviewed schoolkids who were trying it for the first time, and saying "yes , very nice, yes must have more whalemeat in future etc." :(

Also (just in ) fewer than half the invited 72 countries have turned up to latest meeting of IWC in Tokyo.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1847088.htm
Meeting hears IWC should split into hunting, conservation bodies
By Tokyo correspondent Shane McLeod and BBC

There are suggestions the International Whaling Commission (IWC) could be split into separate bodies dealing with whale hunting and conservation. The idea is being canvassed at a meeting calling on the IWC to be reformed.

Japan invited all 72 members of the IWC to the meeting in Tokyo - but fewer than half have turned up. Anti-whaling nations Australian and Britain have boycotted the talks.

Iceland's commissioner for whaling, Stefan Asmundsson, is attending the conference and says the boycott may lead to the demise of the organisation. "The IWC has not been functioning very well for a number of years. It's very polarised," he said.
As someone said before (Smurf I think) the food wars are about to start - starting with the "harvesting of the seas".
 
20's - :eek: thats scary stuff and news to me - but I'm in Okinawa which tends to be a bit of a backwater.
I can't believe they'd be so stupid as to introduce whale meat into schools - but then again... the Japanese government seems to live in the past so I shouldn't be surprised!! Will have to check it out further.
I teach at an elementary school - & have lunch with a different class everyday. Guess I'll have to start my own anti-whaling propaganda at lunchtime!!
And as for dogfood - thats just a disgrace.
More power to "Sea Whatsit" - seeing noone else has the guts to do anything!!

PS: I notice one of the anti-whaling spokesmen for greenpeace is a Japanese guy too.
 
Just for the curiosity of those reading this thread - here is a computer translation (sorry about that!!) of a Japanese news article covering the recent "sea shepherd" incident.
>> highlights the garbage about how useful the 'scientific whaling' excuse is - as thats all the J. public hear....
>> Also highlights the many difficulties in translating Japanese to English!!

It is an obstruction act, and two crew slight injury in the scientific research program on minke whales ship.

The bottle etc. were thrown out to the scientific research program on minke whales ship of Japan that did the scientific research program on minke whales by the Antarctic Ocean by the ship of environmentalists in the United States, and two Japanese crew did a light injury.

Two ships of environmentalists "She shepherd" of the United States approached scientific research program on minke whales ship "..Nissin.. round" of Japan that acted by the Antarctic Ocean, the bottle was thrown out, and a smoking bullet was launched before dawn of the ninth in Japan standard time.

In this case, two Japanese crew did a light injury by liquid that existed in the bottle catching its eye.

The She shepherd is known by doing a violent protest activity in the group that opposes the whale fishing.

The Fishery Agency in Japan is commenting, "She shepherd's obstruction act is extremely dangerous, and hope of discontinuance at once".

Hows that for pissweak !!!!!!!! :(:(
 
Dukey said:
"The She shepherd is known by doing a violent protest activity in the group that opposes the whale fishing. The Fishery Agency in Japan is commenting, "She shepherd's obstruction act is extremely dangerous, and hope of discontinuance at once".

gr8 effort with the jinglish m8 ;) both sides doctoring their spins flat out it seems.
here's another bit of background:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd
The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is a non-profit, self-proclaimed policing organization that claims to undertake campaigns guided by the United Nations World Charter for Nature (1982) and other statutary laws protecting marine species and environments.[1][2] It is a non-governmental, primarily maritime organization. Paul Watson founded the society in 1977 after Watson, one of the three founders of Greenpeace, concluded that "bearing witness" to environmental damage was an inadequate response compared to actual enforcement of international laws, regulations, and treaties.

Sea Shepherd is more confrontational than Greenpeace.[4] Paul Watson has since referred to Greenpeace as "The Avon ladies of the environmental movement."

Sea Shepherd is based in Friday Harbor, Washington, in the United States, and has a fleet of vessels it calls "Neptune's Navy": the three ships Farley Mowat, the Robert Hunter and the Sirenian, as well as several smaller boats.[5] Operations include interdiction against whaling in Antarctic waters, patrols of the Galapagos Islands, and action against Canadian seal hunters.[4][3][6][7] Sea Shepherd has an affiliated organization, O.R.C.A. Force the president of which is Paul Watson.

Ships that Sea Shepherd claim to have sunk. Sea Shepherd claims to have sunk ten whaling ships since 1979 referring to these ships by the political epithet "pirates".
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1848229.htm
nothing to do with Sea Shepherd, but sorta relevant
Whaling ship on fire in Antarctica
A Japanese whaling ship in Antarctica has reported a fire below decks and one crew member is missing. Maritime New Zealand spokesman Lindsay Sturt says it does not appear the 8,000-tonne processing ship Nisshin Maru is in danger of sinking.

"At the moment there is one crewman unaccounted for, everybody else has been transferred to three of the other whaling ships," he said. "The fact they have 20 people still on board means they still have some hope of containing it."

The fire is believed to have started in the engine room. Steve Corbett from Maritime New Zealand told Newsradio a call was received about 4am. "They haven't relayed any distress signal, they've just simply let us know that they have a problem and they're dealing with it," he said. "We're just standing by to see if they need an further assistance."

Mr Corbett says the fire has nothing to do with anti-whaling protests by the Sea Shepherd Society, which has recently clashed with the whaling fleet.
 
From SMH :

New Zealand Conservation Minister, Chris Carter, told a press conference in Wellington that the ship was in the Ross Sea, about 100 nautical miles from the coast, and 265 nautical miles from the US McMurdo and NZ Scott bases on Ross Island.

He said the Nisshin Maru was carrying up to 1000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil.

"Our priority is to work with the Japanese fleet to get the Nisshin Maru's crew to safety. However, we are also gravely concerned about the environmental risk to Antarctica's pristine environment if the ship is sufficiently damaged to begin leaking oil."

God that p!sses me off :mad:
 
What gets me, is that Japan has ignored repeated calls by Australia and New Zealand to stop whaling in our oceans. Now that they are in trouble... who are they looking to to help them out? What a joke! Let the bastards drown. They shouldn't be there in the first place.

But the problem with whaling is a deep one. And this is why I don't believe in political correctness, because I wouldn't be able to say what I am going to. Japanese culture is to blame. The total lack of self-criticism, total lack of self-reflection is the reason why Japan continually has trouble with its international relations. And this is no exception. If the Japanese people actually had knowledge of its past, they would realise that whaling wasn't important until after World War II (which of course didn't happen) because of a lack of food. And the problem with Japanese people not questioning anything, ultimately leads them to accepting the slaughter of endangered animals. It is so frustrating, it's like dealing with religious types... exactly same problem. The factors that got Japan into so much trouble in the 30s and 40s have not changed today.
 
chops_a_must said:
What gets me, is that Japan has ignored repeated calls by Australia and New Zealand to stop whaling in our oceans. Now that they are in trouble... who are they looking to to help them out? What a joke! Let the bastards drown. They shouldn't be there in the first place.

But the problem with whaling is a deep one. And this is why I don't believe in political correctness, because I wouldn't be able to say what I am going to. Japanese culture is to blame. The total lack of self-criticism, total lack of self-reflection is the reason why Japan continually has trouble with its international relations. And this is no exception. If the Japanese people actually had knowledge of its past, they would realise that whaling wasn't important until after World War II (which of course didn't happen) because of a lack of food. And the problem with Japanese people not questioning anything, ultimately leads them to accepting the slaughter of endangered animals. It is so frustrating, it's like dealing with religious types... exactly same problem.
Chops a must,

Shock horror, I agree with you on this one. The Japanese Government is disgusting in its treatment of whales. To allow whaling under the disguise of research is absolutely ridiculous. One day the way things are going there may not be any left. The world's governments must increase the pressure on Japan and other like minded governments to immediately stop this innocent killing.
 
I agree 100% Chops. Ingrained into Asian culture is the deep dishonour and 'loss of face' if politicians are to back down / reverse their position. In the west, well it's part of a politicians job description :rolleyes:

Self-criticism is lacking, all the way from this whale nonsense, through to apologizing for sex slaves of the war.

A classic line from a Japanese fisheries official a while back was his "whales are the cockroaches of the sea" and that they must be killed to protect the fish !!! It's that attitude that is going to keep the whaling issue going for years, unfortunately.
 
mrWoodo said:
I agree 100% Chops. Ingrained into Asian culture is the deep dishonour and 'loss of face' if politicians are to back down / reverse their position. In the west, well it's part of a politicians job description :rolleyes:

Self-criticism is lacking, all the way from this whale nonsense, through to apologizing for sex slaves of the war.

A classic line from a Japanese fisheries official a while back was his "whales are the cockroaches of the sea" and that they must be killed to protect the fish !!! It's that attitude that is going to keep the whaling issue going for years, unfortunately.

I agree with much of what you and Chops say, my point is though, that these environmental activists are just as malign and one-eyed as the Japs., sorry the Japanese.

Garpal
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I agree with much of what you and Chops say, my point is though, that these environmental activists are just as malign and one-eyed as the Japs., sorry the Japanese.

Garpal

Garpal,

The problem is that "terrorism" is the new catch-all phrase to describe anything someone disagrees with.

Environmental "terrorism"? Puleeeze!

We need to be aware of how politicians program us with language.
 
wayneL said:
Garpal,

The problem is that "terrorism" is the new catch-all phrase to describe anything someone disagrees with.

Environmental "terrorism"? Puleeeze!

We need to be aware of how politicians program us with language.

Dear wayneL,

Language changes constantly, life's drama doesn't. I'm sure both the Japs,. sorry the Japanese, and the Aggressive Greenies would have been put sitting in Lady Macbeth's tent by the great bard, if he were alive and writing today.

Garpal
 
i guess if someone stuck a hook into you and reeled you in kicking and screaming into a mobile slaughterhouse you might politely call them a terrorist..
 
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