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wayneL said:
It is not about online safety whatsoever, it is about managing the narrative.
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Don't be silly. Clearly taking down this video will prevent all future stabbings and bring about world peace.

Can we also get rid of all war footage? Maybe get rid of race car driving footage too. That'll limit all these street racers and prevent copy cats. And footage of greens politicians enrages me. Let's erase all that content too so I feel safe. Better yet - erase the internet.
 
If you want to see and can't find it on X, it's still airing on facebook.

Hardly worth the fuss being made by our pollies and the nannying matriachial E-Commish,......... except you do get to see the thug with a big grin on his face after being restrained by the flock.
 
Knobby22 said:
To me, the arguments are:
Is it decent?
And is it in the public interest?
There has to be a line.

And that line should not be set by a commercial company that profits from it.
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According to who then? A government with a narrative to push and a monumentally egregious double standard as such as we see in the examples proffered?

No Thanks.

If this is allowed to proceed you just won't be allowed to see anything that the government doesn't want you to see. A few years down the track we will all be named Winston and agreeing that two plus two equals five.

Dammit, wake up to what is happening!
 
wayneL said:
According to who then? A government with a narrative to push and a monumentally egregious double standard as such as we see in the examples proffered?

No Thanks.

If this is allowed to proceed you just won't be allowed to see anything that the government doesn't want you to see. A few years down the track we will all be named Winston and agreeing that two plus two equals five.

Dammit, wake up to what is happening!
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Don't you agree with the premise that to publish violence it should be in the public interest and it should have a level of decency?
 
The double standards are so obvious.

Facebook, Snapchat, Insta, etc etc have tons and tons of footage, even worse, but thats ok....However, X....quick, Musk is evil.
 
wayneL said:
Subjective. No.
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Everything is subjective.

Say your wife was decapitated by a pschotic lady and the video was being spread over the internet with teenagers watching it and it was being shown for the next 20 years. But it got good ratings?

There has to be a level of decency and a public good to it being shown. There has to be a line.
 
There are standards for Australian media that they follow which should also apply to social media given they are publishers.

These standards are arrived at by the Australian people through the parliament.

The so called truth can be reported well within those standards.

Why would you allow a mega company / billionaire advantage over local media.... unless you were un- Australian.

Remember they all make money out of advertising and selling your data giving advantage to Musk is hardly in the national interest.
 
Knobby22 said:
Everything is subjective.

Say your wife was decapitated by a pschotic lady and the video was being spread over the internet with teenagers watching it and it was being shown for the next 20 years. But it got good ratings?

There has to be a level of decency and a public good to it being shown. There has to be a line.
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How about if aboriginals were being purposely murdered in prison and made to look like suicide. But the government can then hide the fact it happened through these laws.
It doesn't reach the masses and alternative narratives can be pushed.

The stabbing was of the priest in his church. The government doesn't own that video or his images. It should be up to him if he wants it taken down. Not the government. It's not that graphic either.

Twitter isn't a kids app. Freedom of speech is going through it's messy phase on there. But eventually the misinformation will be called out and people will have to check their information via actual fact gathering or be constantly called a "dumbsht" and ridiculed.

Twitter before was worse as it was presenting lies as facts from supposedly "neutral" fact checkers.
 
Knobby22 said:
Everything is subjective.

Say your wife was decapitated by a pschotic lady and the video was being spread over the internet with teenagers watching it and it was being shown for the next 20 years. But it got good ratings?

There has to be a level of decency and a public good to it being shown. There has t be a line.
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There's plenty of content like that already on the internet, say like October 7? The truth is people are pretty careful about putting out content like that in general.

Further to my point, which is exactly the point that mo has emphasized, censorship Milly allows the government to pick and choose which content that it will allow to be shown according to whatever agenda it might like to push or hide.

I wouldn't trust this government as far as I could throw it, and even if someone was foolish enough to actually trust this mob of totalitarian dreamers, domains are in place for some future government to completely manipulate everything that we see... And that applies for both sides of the fence extremeism can come from either the right or the left and we do not want them to have the power to curate everything that we see and think.
 
Musk has a point that Australian laws should not determine what is seen globally, but "geo-block" features are on social media, remember Facebook blocked Australian news stories from appearing here so it's possible to delete content in a particular country.

Whether you think the E-Safety person is censoring or not, what appears on social media here is subject to Australian laws, and the Australian people will deal with the censorship issue on what we can and can't see.

Personally I see no need to have that footage available, but the same applies to a lot of other stuff too.
 
Looks like the Bishop is OK with have the footage seen online - "Assyrian Orthodox Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel supported the video, showing him allegedly being attacked by a 16-year-old, being available online."

"I forgive whoever has done this act ... I will always pray for you and whoever sent you to do this, I forgive them as well."

Just because there is a law, and a new one at that, we should never automatically think that it is perfect, especially if open to interpretation.

Who in the eSafety Commision decides which content should be locked away and what is allowed?
 
At the moment you can't trust anything on the internet without taking a few minutes to verify it. That's actually a good thing as people are lazy sheep.
Before we had a bunch of biased "fact checkers" telling us a bunch of lies were true. Narratives are quickly falling when applied to scrutiny and we are quickly finding all sides of the political spectrum are liars.

There's a reason both TikTok and X are being targeted.
 
wayneL said:
There's plenty of content like that already on the internet, say like October 7? The truth is people are pretty careful about putting out content like that in general.

Further to my point, which is exactly the point that mo has emphasized, censorship Milly allows the government to pick and choose which content that it will allow to be shown according to whatever agenda it might like to push or hide.

I wouldn't trust this government as far as I could throw it, and even if someone was foolish enough to actually trust this mob of totalitarian dreamers, domains are in place for some future government to completely manipulate everything that we see... And that applies for both sides of the fence extremeism can come from either the right or the left and we do not want them to have the power to curate everything that we see and think.
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They won't.

The laws have to be agreed. The government represents us and our values. I know you see the government as the enemy and the corporates as friends which to me is back to front.

Everyone knows the stabbing happened as it has been on every media. Do we need to see the blood?

In Australian the media showing blood and death has always been banned. I know that is not true of other societies and especially not true in the cesspit X has become. I also understand that X has no offices in Australia and can do what it likes to a great extent.

I don't know the way forward but I don't want it to be brutalism.
 
History is the greatest teacher.

Imagine if governments had the power to stop the photos that changed the direction of the Vietnam war.

Would these photos have been allowed -

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Knobby22 said:
The government represents us and our values. I know you see the government as the enemy and the corporates as friends which to me is back to front.
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Wut???

Where on earth did you get the idea I see corporates as friends?

I commend Musk's stance on free speech, but that's about it.

Apart from trying scam as much from trading their BS, overpriced shares, I have no time for any of the corporates. They are Satan with no interest in upu and me whatsover, assist from scamming as much moment as they can from us.

Government, corporates, no difference, we live in economic fascism.
 
Corporations are an extension of the government. Just look at the lobbyists and jobs for the boys.

Politicians and public servants need proper accountability because they have zero common-sense and no respect for taxpayers money.
 
The bishop has given approval for X to use the video. The esafety commissioner is trying to not just ban this in Australia, but across the world. If the Australian government succeeded in doing this, then we are honestly one of the most evil nations to currently exist.
We will basically "green light" censorship of things governments don't want getting out.

Esafety needs to be torn down to the basics.
 

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