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Glen48

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I was read about education and I don't know about ewe's but my worst 3 yr at skool were trying to pass grade 1 English.
I wonder how make could pass a school exam now how much we have been taught and how much forgotten, is an education worth the time and money.
The article I read suggest kids would be better of doing time in a business not as child labour but to get an idea how a shops/car yard etc runs the mechanics of the whole thing as well as some schooling.
To day we are lucky you can look up Youtube and build a house or change spark plug true we didn't know PC would be around 40 yrs ago but any one can get an grounding on any subject or solve any problem even how to work out pumpkin PI.

Most kids have learnt more by the time they are teen than any time inn history via the net/ TV /Youtube/ Movies/ DVD etc.

My own experience has been I have learnt more since leaving school and wonder if it was worth while doing time.

How may were trained in one field and now doing some thing completely different now.
 
Glen48 said:
I was read about education and I don't know about ewe's but my worst 3 yr at skool were trying to pass grade 1 English.
I wonder how make could pass a school exam now how much we have been taught and how much forgotten, is an education worth the time and money.
The article I read suggest kids would be better of doing time in a business not as child labour but to get an idea how a shops/car yard etc runs the mechanics of the whole thing as well as some schooling.
To day we are lucky you can look up Youtube and build a house or change spark plug true we didn't know PC would be around 40 yrs ago but any one can get an grounding on any subject or solve any problem even how to work out pumpkin PI.

Most kids have learnt more by the time they are teen than any time inn history via the net/ TV /Youtube/ Movies/ DVD etc.

My own experience has been I have learnt more since leaving school and wonder if it was worth while doing time.

How may were trained in one field and now doing some thing completely different now.
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Few will get a start without an education to a level of reading and simple mathematics.
With so much competition for jobs out there most employers I know including myself look for more than simply education.
Stability/life experience/reliability/desire/ambition/passion.
These qualities ---- after education tip the scales.

But without step one you won't get to step two.
The further you go and the better you perform--- I have found--- the more you'll find of the other qualities.

It seems if you can commit to your education then it's highly likely you'll commit to your chosen field.
 
Its true that you can learn a lot with life experiences other than attending school.
The internet is a fantastic resource for self education (I used it to teach myself trading, like most others I will assume).

However the two most important subjects of reading (and writing) and mathematics are the basis of any education. These subject skills need to be gained at school as most parents are unable to do educate their children and the internet does not adequately cover them (at present).
 
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dutchie said:
Its true that you can learn a lot with life experiences other than attending school.
The internet is a fantastic resource for self education (I used it to teach myself trading, like most others I will assume).

However the two most important subjects of reading (and writing) and mathematics are the basis of any education. These subject skills need to be gained at school as most parents are unable to do educate their children and the internet does not adequately cover them (at present).
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Yes go to the supermarket, when there is a power failure, it is "old" workers please man the checkouts.
The younger generation appear to lack mental arithmetic skills, I'm not sure if it is lack of teaching it, or just being used to electronic aids.
 
OMG at last the penny drops, first it was make kids stay at school until 17, then get them all to go to Uni whether they had the ability or not, now the experts are saying maybe kids should be doing a trade.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-12/university-vs-tafe-what-will-lead-to-a-higher-income/11399662

Yes and maybe they should start at 15, not 17 when they already know everything.
Also while we are at it, maybe they should learn their times tables, rather than how to march down George Street.
That would be novel.
 
I think most forum members would know of John Marsden. He is a well known children's author.

John however also runs his own school. He takes the view that children aren't helpless and should be allowed to get dirty, hurt their knees, work with knives, light fires...

Check out this entry.

Are you sure we are the right school for you?
  • We encourage an active engagement with the world. That includes using public transport to explore Melbourne, playing in the school’s extensive gardens and 1100 acres of bush, riding bikes, climbing trees, going on many camps and trips.
  • We’ll be direct, honest, thorough and responsible in communicating information to students about sex and relationships, appropriate to the students’ age and developmental stages.
  • We encourage students to use toasters, stoves, blenders, microwaves, cutlery.
  • According to our assessment of students’ maturity and abilities, we may teach them to use axes, log splitters, saws and other tools.
  • Similarly, we may teach students how to light fires, and may expect them to start and maintain fires in fireplaces, and fuel stoves in classrooms.
  • We comfort students who are upset, we hug, we’re tactile. We may play rambunctious roughhousing games like British Bulldog or Capture the Flag.
  • During maintenance activities students may be up ladders, changing light globes, using hammers, vacuum cleaners and electrical tools.
  • We assess children who want to come here, but previous academic success or failure is not a factor in that assessment. Destructive and/or self-destructive behaviour is a factor. We’re very pleased to see evidence of creative interests, selflessness and empathy in students who apply for places.
  • We don’t provide written reports on students at the end of every term, semester or year. But we are always happy to supply such reports on request, or to meet with parents and children to discuss progress.
  • We are very happy for parents to be involved in the day-to-day life of the school, in all kinds of rich, exciting and rewarding ways. However we are not happy with parents who want to impose their own agendas on the school, and we don’t tolerate parents who attempt to bully the school, teachers, or other students.

Please recognise that we will not suit everybody. If you are not comfortable with the items on this list, we will not be the right school for you.

Of course as teachers it is up to us to raise students to a level where they can engage in the activities mentioned above in a safe and mature way. That is what a teacher does. That’s what the word teacher means. “Aim not where they are, but where they should be.”
http://www.candlebark.info/educational-approach/are-you-sure-we-are-the-right-school-for-you
https://www.theguardian.com/society...pandemic-ive-never-seen-this-level-of-anxiety
 
sptrawler said:
I hope there are some people, who care about our falling education standards.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...an-on-tests-for-children-under-eight/11405900
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Well it looks as though the penny has dropped regarding Universities, they actually may be going back to quality rather than quantity, you never know working from the top down might take education back to something useful rather than a child minding facility.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...oveted-university-status-20191015-p530sh.html
 
OMG talk about admitting a complete failure in a system. IMO

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...dents-in-years-11-and-12-20191023-p533ma.html

From the article:
Maths experts applauded the move but said schools faced a dire shortage of specialist teachers and warned that years of careful teacher recruitment and training was needed to turn the promise into reality.

It is about time the system was rewound back to teacher training colleges, where a persons ability to teach, was just as important as being able to pass a course. Our education system is an absolute shambles IMO.
 
Another indication of a failing system.IMO

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ria-s-brightest-students-20191024-p533pe.html

From the article:
Thousands of Victoria’s brightest students will be enrolled in accelerated programs as part of a new multimillion-dollar package to help high-achieving children engage and excel.

Almost 50,000 pupils from grades 5 to 8 will be signed up to intensive online and face-to-face lessons, under the $60 million Student Excellence Program announced on Thursday, with a teacher at every government school to be trained to run the classes.

Maybe they will return to teaching them maths. :rolleyes:
 

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