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Smurf1976 said:
Plus if there's one thing I really dislike about Australian culture, it's the tendency to cut down anyone who actually is a high achiever.:2twocents
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Yes the problem with high achievers is, they are actually seen as a threat to the education system, because the teachers are insecure.
The whole selection process for teachers has gone ar$e up, rather than teachers producing the best from pupils, we now have pupils supplying jobs for teachers IMO.
 
IFocus said:
Positive implications for a lot of areas



Science News
from research organizations

Far-UVC light safely kills airborne coronaviruses, study finds


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624172050.htm
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Hmmm far UV is heading towards Xrays and I don't think they are too safe. And then you go further to Gamma radiation but look what happened to Bruce Banner.;)
Maybe there is a safe small range of radiation between UV and Xrays that works, they seem to suggest 222nm. I dont know.
 
jbocker said:
Hmmm far UV is heading towards Xrays and I don't think they are too safe. And then you go further to Gamma radiation but look what happened to Bruce Banner.;)
Maybe there is a safe small range of radiation between UV and Xrays that works, they seem to suggest 222nm. I dont know.
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If we go to much that way, we will indéed kill more people than virus and create skin cancer, eye issues etc
Be careful
 
qldfrog said:
If we go to much that way, we will indéed kill more people than virus and create skin cancer, eye issues etc
Be careful
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Having read around a little there appears to be an effective range of wavelengths that has been used for many years for bacterial control (not sure with viral, maybe there is, or are some developments). I have read that viruses and bacteria are as about as different as a goldfish is to a giraffe, albeit both are microscopic. Viruses are much smaller and simpler, and don't respond to medications which is commonly used for bacterial treatment.
 
jbocker said:
Having read around a little there appears to be an effective range of wavelengths that has been used for many years for bacterial control (not sure with viral, maybe there is, or are some developments). I have read that viruses and bacteria are as about as different as a goldfish is to a giraffe, albeit both are microscopic. Viruses are much smaller and simpler, and don't respond to medications which is commonly used for bacterial treatment.
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IFocus said:
Positive implications for a lot of areas



Science News
from research organizations

Far-UVC light safely kills airborne coronaviruses, study finds


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624172050.htm
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The 5G mob would go ballistic.

gg
 
jbocker said:
Having read around a little there appears to be an effective range of wavelengths that has been used for many years for bacterial control (not sure with viral, maybe there is, or are some developments). I have read that viruses and bacteria are as about as different as a goldfish is to a giraffe, albeit both are microscopic. Viruses are much smaller and simpler, and don't respond to medications which is commonly used for bacterial treatment.
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Biologist here. Viruses and bacteria could be said to be as different as giraffes and goldfish, it's more or less a reasonable comparison, but different as they are, both will quickly die in boiling water or a bullet to the head or being put through a mincer.

Narrow wavelengths kill/denature microscopic organisms by damaging their DNA/RNA. Viruses are smaller and more susceptible than bacteria. Macroscopic animals have skin which protects them, but the protection is not perfect (which is why macroscopic life such as humans will end up with problems such as skin cancer from mutations if we are exposed to such radiation).

Sunlight does a reasonably good job of sterilising surfaces of things like viruses through irradiation with UV. It also gives people skin cancer. There's a pretty blurry line between harmless to everything, deadly to microbes but safe for people and dangerous for everything. Sunlight is in the blurry area of that line, with the strongest sunlight being quite dangerous, as we all know.

Artificial UV sterilisers are useful and have been used for a long time, I used to use them when I worked in biology labs, but I definitely do not want to see humans exposed to them. It wouldn't be the most insane thing going on at the moment but it would definitely be causing far more harm than good; with all this speculation about possibly long term effects of the virus, don't forget that by any measure, those effects are trivial compared to irradiation of humans, which definitely will mutate human skin/eye/etc cells which will results in cancers and death etc, which will continue to pop up for as long as the irradiated people are alive. If it's strong enough to be effective against the virus it will also damage human DNA significantly.
 
jbocker said:
Hmmm far UV is heading towards Xrays and I don't think they are too safe. And then you go further to Gamma radiation but look what happened to Bruce Banner.;)
Maybe there is a safe small range of radiation between UV and Xrays that works, they seem to suggest 222nm. I dont know.
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JB this bit.

"Far-UVC light cannot penetrate the tear layer of the eye or the outer dead-cell layer of skin so it cannot reach or damage living cells in the body."

As GG suggests imagine the fruit cakes coming out.
 
8.25

"More than 40% of firms plan to keep more than 40% of staff working from home after the pandemic"

So 16% planned to stay working from home already. Honestly, I'm surprised it's not stated as being higher. I bet it increases ;)
 
over9k said:
...planned to stay working from home already. Honestly, I'm surprised it's not stated as being higher. I bet it increases ;)
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I traded from home for a living for several years. I got back into my profession because I was getting white, fat and weak... and I was really missing interacting with other humans in person... and I enjoy working with animals.

But I tell ya, folks are p¹ssng me off these days.

Scarcely a day goes by where someone doesn't confront me with some untenable, unthoughtful opinion, critical thought having been supplanted by propagandists.

I've got essential service status, but seriously considering retreating to my cave and flipping the bird to society.
 
wayneL said:
I traded from home for a living for several years. I got back into my profession because I was getting white, fat and weak... and I was really missing interacting with other humans in person... and I enjoy working with animals.

But I tell ya, folks are p¹ssng me off these days.

Scarcely a day goes by where someone doesn't confront me with some untenable, unthoughtful opinion, critical thought having been supplanted by propagandists.

I've got essential service status, but seriously considering retreating to my cave and flipping the bird to society.
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Doesn't it just look awful?
 
Independent think tank Grattan Institute presents the arguments of why the Prime Minister and National Cabinets decision to go for zero cases is the correct one.

National cabinet has agreed that Australia's goal is zero cases of COVID-19. Lockdowns are currently the only strategy that will get us there.

There are two arguments against lockdowns, both fallacious.

Click the link if you wish, or don't.

I am not going to post the whole article here.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/arguing-against-lockdowns-this-is-why-you-re-wrong-20200828-p55q98.html
 
Knobby22 said:
National cabinet has agreed that Australia's goal is zero cases of COVID-19. Lockdowns are currently the only strategy that will get us there.
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Is this the same as :
  1. No Child will live in poverty (1 in 5 do in Australia)
  2. No person will take illegal drugs (war on drugs has worked, not)
  3. We can eradicate domestic violence with education
  4. Pigs can fly if we give them wings (sic)
Wake up, eradication is impossible if we want some freedoms, eradication is 100% possible, if we lock everyone in their homes.

The economic outcome of this is going to be huge, the tide is still in, only when it goes out, do we get to see the wreckage of the actions of the govnuts.
 
over9k said:
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/vic-class-action-233952091.html

Victorian government getting sued. Honestly, only a matter of time until this happened.

Going to be interesting to be a fly on the wall for this one that's for sure.
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This is overdue and I'm glad to see it coming. We are being forced to sacrifice so much to delay little and save almost nothing. The insane incompetence (or corruption, depending on what you think is happening) needs to be highlighted and those behind it held accountable, and mostly importantly a path of sanity needs to be established and followed.

Melbourne tends to hibernate during winter anyway, but as the weather warms up people will be far less willing to sit around doing nothing.
 
satanoperca said:
Is this the same as :
  1. No Child will live in poverty (1 in 5 do in Australia)
  2. No person will take illegal drugs (war on drugs has worked, not)
  3. We can eradicate domestic violence with education
  4. Pigs can fly if we give them wings (sic)
Wake up, eradication is impossible if we want some freedoms, eradication is 100% possible, if we lock everyone in their homes.

The economic outcome of this is going to be huge, the tide is still in, only when it goes out, do we get to see the wreckage of the actions of the govnuts.
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Please read the article.
 
Sdajii said:
Melbourne tends to hibernate during winter anyway, but as the weather warms up people will be far less willing to sit around doing nothing.
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Hence why if you're going to do a lockdown, winter would be the best time to do it.

I'm expecting a fairly massive rally in the travel related stocks from here on out as we both drop the virus case numbers and head into summer.
 
Knobby22 said:
Please read the article.
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Author :

Stephen Duckett

Stephen Duckett is director of the health program at the Grattan Institute

No bias there.

Quotes :
"The trends are good, but the government should not succumb to pressure to lift restrictions too soon."
Easy for him to say.

"There are two arguments against lockdowns, both fallacious.
Number one: 'The costs of lockdowns to the economy are too high'"
Easy for him to say
"The costs to the Victorian economy that we all see are costs of the pandemic, not simply costs of the government-imposed lockdowns."
Bullsh--it.
"Number two: 'National cabinet was wrong to establish a goal of zero cases'
His comments are clap trap, not evidence or analysis provided.

Back to the author: (age 70 years),

Self preservation I believe, which is okay, but do not speak for the majority of the people.

Read article, clap trap.
 

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