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It's literally less than one person per day and since they hit their flatline low level of scarcely above zero (again, literally less than one person per day!) every single one of those people have been elderly.
On what planet or in what warped state of mind is the death of less than one elderly person per day in a whole country of millions of people not trivial?
Tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, in ten years, or longer?
Should I be telling my 97 year old mother that her life is worthless and that she and her partner should drop dead asap so we can all get on with our lives?
The problem with your idea of "soon" is that it's a guess. Put your point into a logical context, had she died of COVID-19 and was 80 years old, then that's ok because not many people live longer anyway. Yet that 17 year difference (and counting) in life expectancy is not just statistically significant, it has human value.
Unfortunately this is simply untrue.
Victoria is a good example to look at, as we have high rates of testing, and detailed data which is updated daily.
We have a total of 695 ICU beds across the entire state (which was increased earlier this year due to COVID...in 2018 we had 476 beds). Right Now, there are 41 COVID cases in ICU beds (up from just 1 or 2 cases a month ago). This means more than 10% of people in ICU in Victoria, are there due to COVID19. Keep in mind, this is happening despite Stage 3, and now Stage 4 restrictions, and this is happening whilst we have the vast majority of the population who have not been exposed to the virus, due to restrictions and physical distancing.
If we just let it rip, and treated it like it's no big deal, like the flu, what do you think would happen to our healthcare system?
The virus cannot just be ignored, or treated like the flu. It is not the flu.
If not for the virus then the issue would not have arisen....but obviously, as it stands, the economic problems can not possibly be caused by the virus
You offer nothing but your unfounded opinions.You keep asking for evidence and also keep saying bizarre stuff like this.
Your opinions are not worth a cracker - offer substance instead.At 97, your mother will almost certainly be dead in closer to next week than in 10 years. This is just the reality. Destroying the country's economy in lockdowns, removing personal freedom, destroying livelihoods, literally imposing an 8PM curfew on an entire city of people and saying they are only allowed outdoors for a maximum of 1 hour per day and husbands and wives or parents and children are forbidden to even go shopping together is not going to give your mother 10 extra years of life. The rate of deaths has not even gone down in Melbourne despite these draconian restrictions. Those 97 year olds who are guaranteed to die in the not too distant future either way, are now living in isolation from the only people in this world who love them, and since people at that age are not long for this world, whatever it is which kills them during this time, they die alone without being able to say goodbye to their loved ones. At 97 I'd rather take a small chance of getting a disease which may kill me in exchange for being able to be with my loved ones until I check out of this world. I sure as heck wouldn't want to be forced into isolated knowing that my family and my whole country were being forced into massively destructive conditions.
You have such tunnel view that you only see the value in extending the lives of a very small number of old people while ignoring all the harm being done to many many millions of others!
In a perfect world we'd all live to 150 years of age in perfect health. In the real world we don't. In a perfect world we wouldn't have millions of people forced out of work and to lose their businesses, millions of people having 8PM curfews imposed on them, being unable to go to school, being unable to sit down and enjoy the sunshine outdoors, and we wouldn't force elderly people into nursing homes to be isolated from their own loved ones!
Perhaps you need evidence for this too?
The fact is that all these covid patients elderly or not clog up the hospital emergency centres and infect essential health workers who then have to take time off, depleting the services available to non covid patients.
Unless you are trying to argue that we should abolish the health system entirely and let only the healthiest survive, ie if you have cancer or diabetes too bad you are going to die anyway so why spend money on you ?
Your arguments simply don't hold water in any civilised society.
It is interesting that the demarcation of alarm about covid roughly coincides with the same demarcation with Trump derangement syndrome, climate change alarm, and neo Marxist, postmodernist, identitarian ideologies
Your opinions are not worth a cracker - offer substance instead.
Completely untrue. Sweden chose to let older people die in aged care facilities rather than have them overload ICUs. You keep guessing wrong.The model I advocate has been tested, it didn't leave anyone being told "Sorry, we're not going to help you, go away and die" and it didn't overwhelm the healthcare system.
If not for the virus then the issue would not have arisen.
You offer nothing but your unfounded opinions.
Why aren't you and your ilk advocating the Chinese model? Far fewer deaths - 4 per million compared to 8145 in Sweden - and an economic recovery that's been humming along for months. For that matter, look at what has been achieved in the States/Territories of Australia that have acted responsibly. The continued harping on about Sweden as the way to go simply isn't reflected by the data.
Completely untrue. Sweden chose to let older people die in aged care facilities rather than have them overload ICUs. You keep guessing wrong.
I and others suggest to @Sdajii he move his off topic comments elsewhere, but he refuses to!And yours are?
Sdajii is keeping it on topic, about the economy, you are addressing issues with your mother, says a lot.
Wrong thread!Not everyone who dies is in hospital. This is the case everywhere. Even in Australia last year or 5-10 years ago, people in old folks' homes die there of all manner of things including flu etc.
To the extent that Sweden dealt with this issue in this way, which is not particularly dissimilar to the way Australia has always dealt with the issue of flu etc in the elderly, yes, I'd deal with it in a fairly similar way.
Wrong thread!
I have only ever responded to your false, misleading, and baseless claims in this thread.I literally try to keep it on topic, you literally ask off topic questions, I literally answer your off topic question, then you literally complain about it!
At 97, your mother will almost certainly be dead in closer to next week than in 10 years. This is just the reality. Destroying the country's economy in lockdowns, removing personal freedom, destroying livelihoods, literally imposing an 8PM curfew on an entire city of people and saying they are only allowed outdoors for a maximum of 1 hour per day and husbands and wives or parents and children are forbidden to even go shopping together is not going to give your mother 10 extra years of life. The rate of deaths has not even gone down in Melbourne despite these draconian restrictions. Those 97 year olds who are guaranteed to die in the not too distant future either way, are now living in isolation from the only people in this world who love them, and since people at that age are not long for this world, whatever it is which kills them during this time, they die alone without being able to say goodbye to their loved ones. At 97 I'd rather take a small chance of getting a disease which may kill me in exchange for being able to be with my loved ones until I check out of this world. I sure as heck wouldn't want to be forced into isolated knowing that my family and my whole country were being forced into massively destructive conditions.
You have such tunnel view that you only see the value in extending the lives of a very small number of old people while ignoring all the harm being done to many many millions of others!
In a perfect world we'd all live to 150 years of age in perfect health. In the real world we don't. In a perfect world we wouldn't have millions of people forced out of work and to lose their businesses, millions of people having 8PM curfews imposed on them, being unable to go to school, being unable to sit down and enjoy the sunshine outdoors, and we wouldn't force elderly people into nursing homes to be isolated from their own loved ones!
Perhaps you need evidence for this too?
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