Economic implications of a SARS/Coronavirus outbreak

[Sdajii]

Completely false.
There are few commonalities between Swedish and Australian cultures so any attempt to replicate it would yield very different results. Furthermore, we know enough about containment and suppression strategies to avoid Sweden's exceptionally high death rate.
Baseless statement. Lockdowns are proven effective across the globe.
Again, not just baseless, but there is data showing it to be completely false. Just look at results for testing in Queensland to show how unsound that comment was.
Yet another comment without foundation. It's actually pretty disgusting imho that people would make such a comment as yours given the evidence from other nations as well, not to mention the mass graves that have also been specially prepared for COVID-19 deaths.
And we are supposed to think that your experience has meaning? USA with over 5 million affected citizens and a quarter of all deaths tells a different story.

You're like the posted child who believes the narrative of the media and government without question and doesn't even bother attempting to interpret it or listen to the meaning of their words. I could imagine you wearing a raincoat and holding an umbrella in full sunshine because the one weather report you saw said it was raining, while all others say it's sunny, and it is, in fact, sunny.

 

[Knobby22]

You're like the posted child who believes the narrative of the media and government without question and doesn't even bother attempting to interpret it or listen to the meaning of their words. I could imagine you wearing a raincoat and holding an umbrella in full sunshine because the one weather report you saw said it was raining, while all others say it's sunny, and it is, in fact, sunny.

Oh come on Sdajii. Didn't you see the refrigerator trucks converted to take bodies? And the death rate is double that reported but I suppose you trust their government.

I have friends in the USA and they are living in fear.

We need to beat this in Melbourne and it's the people not doing their bit an d spreading it that will cause the lockdown to last longer.

 

[rederob]

You're like the posted child who believes the narrative of the media and government without question and doesn't even bother attempting to interpret it or listen to the meaning of their words. I could imagine you wearing a raincoat and holding an umbrella in full sunshine because the one weather report you saw said it was raining, while all others say it's sunny, and it is, in fact, sunny.

Unlike you I base my comments on what most people call facts.
You have a history here of spouting unfounded opinions and, as I have shown, many are completely false.

 

[Sdajii]

Oh come on Sdajii. Didn't you see the refrigerator trucks converted to take bodies? And the death rate is double that reported but I suppose you trust their government.

I have friends in the USA and they are living in fear.

I don't doubt that you have friends in the USA living in fear. Their media is doing everything they possibly can to bring that about. Anyone with half an eyeball has seen that. I have friends in the USA saying things are fine and the story is overblown.

It's funny that you'd respond to 'It was manufactured propaganda' with 'Didn't you see how propagandary the propaganda was? It was really scary!'

The people dying have an average age of death barely below the average life expectancy. Millions of people die everyday around the world on any normal day. With few exceptions, this virus is just killing people who were soon to die anyway. This isn't a real pandemic. We are being told to be scared and take precautions as though this is some Black Death/Spanish Flu type pandemic, where we're literally having many people dying, death all around, sickly people suffering hugely. Other than on the television we're just not seeing it. Talk to people in the USA, the world's worst affected country, in whatever state you like, and you'll find that it's not a place where people are all dropping dead, the people are not scared because they're actually seeing death and morbidity, they're scared because the television tells them to be scared.

The plan was supposed to be to brace ourselves for mass deaths and our measures were simply supposed to lessen the number of people who would be unable to be treated in hospital because the hospitals would be overfull. Surely you can remember this because it was only recent. But the hospitals are not full. Not here, not in the USA, not in Spain, not in China. There is plenty of spare capacity. The story doesn't make sense. It takes mental gymnastics to believe the story, not to see through it.

 

[Sdajii]

Unlike you I base my comments on what most people call facts.
You have a history here of spouting unfounded opinions and, as I have shown, many are completely false.

LOL

 

[Knobby22]

All I can say is check your US sources. You are being sold a pup.

 

[wabullfrog]

An early economic comparison between Denmark & Sweden with regards to the 2 different paths they took with lockdowns.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/31/2010068117

 

[wayneL]

I have dozens of US colleagues which I speak to on a regular basis, and also but a industry based Facebook group of 8000, 75% of which are American.

There are not More than a handful that have fallen for the fear narrative. The vast majority are, more or less, supporters of the Swedish model.

The liberals and communists on the West coast and the northeast? Now that's a different story.

 

[qldfrog]

in competition for joke of the year:

Unlike you I base my comments on what most people call facts.
You have a history here of spouting unfounded opinions and, as I have shown, many are completely false.

ROL
Seriously Rob, do you actually start believing this yourself?

 

[basilio]

Seriously Qfrog Redrob does deal in facts. Trying to gaslight him or others to the contrary is rubbish.

Sdajii's supremely certain, self opinionated observations on COVID are so far off reality they are ridiculous. And I suspect there are plenty of other people who share his delusions an happy to spread them. Perhaps you should all get a room together.

This thread was supposed to be about the economic implications of COVID . Be good if it went back to that theme rather than a relentless barrage of denial that there is any problem with this virus beyond actually trying to limit its spread.

 

[rederob]

With few exceptions, this virus is just killing people who were soon to die anyway.

Zero basis for your claim.

This isn't a real pandemic.

Another false claim.

Talk to people in the USA, the world's worst affected country, in whatever state you like, and you'll find that it's not a place where people are all dropping dead, the people are not scared because they're actually seeing death and morbidity, they're scared because the television tells them to be scared.

Nobody said people are dropping dead all over the place - a straw man claim. The issue is about a range of other matters repeatedly addressed here that you have zero counter for.

The plan was supposed to be to brace ourselves for mass deaths....

Completely false, again.

"The aim of these measures is to slow the importation of COVID-19 cases into Australia to enable preparatory measures to continue and to enable a public health response to the initial cases."
"Based on the advice of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC), the National Cabinet agreed that our core objective now is to slow the outbreak of COVID-19 in Australia by taking additional steps to reduce community transmission. We must ensure our health system can care for the most vulnerable, in particular the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions."​

But the hospitals are not full. Not here, not in the USA, not in Spain, not in China.

Wuhan built 3 new hospitals plus transformed other facilities for COVID patients because they did not have capacity. New York hospitals were in crisis - dozens of Governor Cuomo's media briefings confirm this. Spain, Italy the UK and dozens of nations had, and continue to have their medical resources overrun due to COVID-19.
You cannot lie your way out of what is happening around the world.

 

[SirRumpole]

Same old, same old.

I think we need to agree to disagree. No one is going to change the public policies with rhetoric or demands to be "sovereign citizens". We run our country differently to others , thank <insert name of Deity here>.

Most of the country is doing quite well, and the part that isn't needs some support. I think we have show that covid can be beaten with sufficient precautions. Andrews trusted his people to comply, but a few idiots stuffed that up. It's time for some tougher measures or this thing will get away again.

 

[qldfrog]

Spain, Italy the UK and dozens of nations had, and continue to have their medical resources overrun due to COVID-19.

with facts like this, who needs a real world -> @basilio DYOR for at least the 2 first in this list of Rederod facts LOL
But agree on let's go back to the economic implications
-of voluntarily sabotaging our economy
or
-saving the world by preventing Victorian from crossing the border if you so want to believe
Who cares, the effects are here you will blame the virus, I will blame the measures
the real facts is our (real) economy is collapsing so what can you do to save your own position (position I mean financial position) especially when not on the PS with garanteed job and income or even super

 

[rederob]

with facts like this, who needs a real world -> @basilio DYOR for at least the 2 first in this list of Rederod facts LOL

Why can't you use facts to support your points?
Queensland and most other States/Territories are doing relatively well in all sectors apart from the effects of international tourism and seasonal interstate travel/tourism/hospitality. That's because we are not blighted by COVID-19. So if you are suggesting that protecting our borders has made no difference, then you are part of a rather small club.

 

[IFocus]

Really interested how Australia and the US can be like Sweden......anyone?

 

[qldfrog]

Why can't you use facts to support your points?
Queensland and most other States/Territories are doing relatively well in all sectors apart from the effects of international tourism and seasonal interstate travel/tourism/hospitality. That's because we are not blighted by COVID-19. So if you are suggesting that protecting our borders has made no difference, then you are part of a rather small club.

Typical Rederob ,you (not me) state that Italian and Spanish hospitals are overwhelmed , now aka today and when confronted go on a tangent.
What a piece...

 

[wayneL]

Really interested how Australia and the US can be like Sweden......anyone?

Why can't we?

 

[Knobby22]

Why can't we?

We would have to be a lot more socialist. Also less individualistic in some ways and I suppose more individualistic in others. We would need to trust our politicians more.

Australia is probably a halfway house between Sweden and the US. That's why we are into Nirvana and ABbA ;-)

 

[satanoperca]

We need to beat this in Melbourne and it's the people not doing their bit an d spreading it that will cause the lockdown to last longer.

While we are it, can we also do our bit for poverty, drug abuse, domestic violence and multi nationals paying taxes. All have an ecomomic impact on Aussies doing their bit. But none of them cause govnuts to close down society and remove our freedoms.

 

[Smurf1976]

Why can't we?

Australia arguably was closer to that model in the past but in more recent years we've moved toward a more dog eat dog approach to everything.

If it was 1980 then sure but in 2020 it's a very different society.