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@Newt
Losing the edge from shared entry/exits would be more of a worry if people actually followed through the system to a Tee. the psychological component of trading is much more likely to erode an edge IMO then technicals.
most people will fiddle or over-ride the system. they wont trust it and think they know best and alter it when it suits. i think people forget that the statistical results of the backtest are only valid for the system you trade. as soon as you start changing the system you have invalidated your backtest results and its now an untested system. (fixing a coding error or similar is different to fiddling with entry/exits/filters. and hopefully those are sorted in paper trading before live trading.)
So for $300k, no slippage, All Ords universe, 20 positions on this strategy - on the left below.
Disclaimer - I'm currently half my normal invested capital versus 2019 post crash - still being a "woos"
Extra homework this year, comparisons with others, slightly better risk control (DD, average loss etc) leads me to believe I will be more likely to stay true to this latest work. Time will tell.
Peter2 has pointed out how his trading improved when regularly posting - forces one to stay true to what they preach.
@CNHTractor I'm amazed to learn that you are also trading along with the "Action Strategy". I have a few experienced traders doing the same & personally I was chuffed to learn that they were - it wasn't expected.
Why join in?
I would have expected a few new members wanting to get their feet wet but not seasoned traders. Honestly, I would have found it difficult "if not impossible" to trade along with an unknown strategy, created by "someone" I didn't know, nor would I have ever recommended others to do so either.
Skate.
Yes, I thought I'd join in and see whether I could work out the entries and exits. Apart from looking at exits some weeks ago I haven't really had the time to investigate, in the meanwhile the strategy is performing so I continue, I will at some point double down to look at entries and exits.
the trader can be a huge risk unless they flawlessly execute the edge and the trades generated. Most people totally under-estimate the work, understanding, confidence, willpower and self-awareness required.
most people will fiddle or over-ride the system. they wont trust it and think they know best and alter it when it suits. i think people forget that the statistical results of the backtest are only valid for the system you trade. as soon as you start changing the system you have invalidated your backtest results and its now an untested system. (fixing a coding error or similar is different to fiddling with entry/exits/filters. and hopefully those are sorted in paper trading before live trading.)
@CNHTractor I wouldn't even try to understand the entry & exits as there are so many variables with (1,311) lines of code.
The "Action Strategy"
Trading the "Action Strategy" was an exercise in how to trade systematically without thinking, just following the signals as they come along.
I've been trying to formulate a response this morning, but every time a question comes up, I do a search, and end up down the rabbit hole. As an example, going off and searching "blue bars" on here brings up This which I assume is what you're referring to as the Blue Bar strategy?.
@MovingAverage I would be interested to see a backtest capture of your strategy with the "Portfolio Equity & Profit Table" during the recent COVID-19 period. The backtest period is from: "1st January 2020 to 30th June 2020" (All ordinaries Index) I've found this 6 month period to be a "stress test" of a trading system.
It would be even better if you would change your parameters to match the ones below
Backtest period = 1st January 2020 to 30th June 2020
Portfolio Size = $300K
Number of positions = 20
Skate.
@Skate I have a version of the Weekend Trend Trader that I coded some time ago. I think it mirrors the Radge intent. The results were not that exciting for me however it would be interesting to see how some refinements would change performance.
1 Jan2020 to 30 June 2020
View attachment 107169
I haven't looked at these sim results closely as it's been a long day so not sure all is correct with the sims. I need to call it a day and get to my family now, but I'll take a closer look at my sims tomorrow and re-post new results if necessary. Until tomorrow--take care
@MovingAverage thank you for uploading the Backtest results & with a quick glance the results look better then okay, boarding on being great. The largest loss (maximum trade drawdown) before the Index Filter turning off of $22,883.10 hit hard & would have been disconcerting at the time.
Summary
For a Daily system operating during the COVID-19 flash crash the overall results are very impressive.
Personally
I can’t wait for your update tomorrow.
Skate.
Nick's WTT is a simple and robust trend following system. Like all trend following systems it needs bullish market conditions to show it's best results. It will struggle to produce profits when markets go sideways and will produce large draw downs in bearish markets. It's important to understand this before starting any trend following system. Overall you'll get slightly above average returns with the occasional large draw down. You must be comfortable with this and hold through these draw downs. There are a number of tweeks that can be applied to reduce these draw downs but they require more active management and in fact reduce the total profits.
Is it possible
To have another Backtest capture for the same period - 1st January 2020 to 30th June 2020 but with a larger Portfolio Size as @MovingAverage has done above.
Backtest period = 1st January 2020 to 30th June 2020
Portfolio size = $300k
Positions = 20
CBA Commission rate = $29.95
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