It actually took me a while for this concept to start to make sense in terms of DTL. And if you look at some of my other posts in this thread, you can tell I hadn't quite grasped the whole picture.Variable cost management
PortfolioPlus said:Ves, you said:
"RV - can you list some of the companies that you believe directly compete with DTL? Does not matter if they are not listed."
Whilst they may not be go head to toe as competitors, I always compare these companies: DTL, DWS, ASZ, SMX, IFM and HSN.
Suggestion: Look at the growth in revenue, NPAT and wages as a percentage of revenue and you will see a pattern emerge. I regard DTL as the second in the field.
Porty
Fairly major WA contract win today. Watch this space IMO. The less and less reliant on those material government contracts that they become, the bigger the moat gets in my opinion.
Averaging up or down are just tools - your biggest tool is your calculation of intrinsic value. If you still think it is cheaper than your Iv calculation then that should mean more than any movement of share (if you are using this method of investing, that is).Yeah I know what you mean, this company has me in two minds, I really should buy some more but the prices offered just a few months age and my aversion to averaging up makes me hesitate.
Averaging up or down are just tools - your biggest tool is your calculation of intrinsic value. If you still think it is cheaper than your Iv calculation then that should mean more than any movement of share (if you are using this method of investing, that is).
There is no point squabbling over a few percentage points for a business that you think is great. Did you know that Warren Buffett almost walked away from the See's Candy deal over $5 million? Check out how much that business generates all of these years later. He said it would have been one of his very biggest mistakes, if I recall.
mmm, Ive found myself starting to become more comfortable with this business after my initial feelings of 'stay away' due to not understanding the possible effects of technological change with the 'cloud' etc...
Im wondering with the likely departure of a key management figure from within the organisation within the near future, if Im possibly considering the business at the worst time. I really need to see that the management skill is there without Grant. More investigation required. But there not trading at a price point that is unreasonable atm.
Hi R&R
What have you heard to think John Grant is leaving? His contract runs until end of 2015.
New Rugby role has the potential to distract him, but the networking benefits, especially within QLD isn't going to hurt DTL.
Interesting to watch and interesting to see if a successor emerges from within the business. I suspect that succession will be very long winded - DTL is Grants baby and I would imagine he’s going to be on the scenes in some form for a very long time.
Cheers
There's also an epic increase in trade receivables and payables for 2012 in comparison to 2011. I'm going to have to do some further digging into that, anybody else aware of it?
Im just reading the statement of cash flows in the last annual report, Does the company really have 70million of cash in the bank ? Its only got a market value of about 210 million odd. Over 30% in the stock price dollar really cash ? Anybody know if there's a plan to do something with it, acquisitions or return to shareholders ?
edit - had a quick browse through the notes (note 4) and they have 60million sitting in term deposits with the deposits earning an avg 5.1% in interest .... + the other 10million sitting as cash at hand .... this seems bonkers for a company with a market cap of only just over 200million thats making money
Look at the balance sheet - it is clearly bloated. Average cash for the year is much, much lower than the year-end balance. It cannot be distributed because they need that cash for running the business (ie. working capital).
Cash flow in the second half is always stronger. The cash will get soaked up in the first half of 2013 just like it always has.
What makes you think that this is the case?Ah, so basically they receive the vast majority of the money in june each year ?
What makes you think that this is the case?
Im curious to know why theres a sudden rush of expenditure on IT hardware every May June. Is it a case of people just rushing to spend the remainder of their budget before they lose it ?
ASF seems to be getting quieter, ASF needs contributors not just browsers. :frown:
Anyway DTL is trending nicely with bumps for good trading opportunities
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Pretty ordinary result really - profitability has fallen into a rut over the last few periods. There was however ome gross margin improvement this period. Cost control is still an issue. They seem to be carrying extra costs and the market curve isn't agreeing with them at the moment.
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