Drug Scientists Have More Integrity Than CC Scientists

[Timmy]

Julia, 2020

You have both now had your say on the Miranda Divine issue.

No more now, please.

Both this thread and the Copenhagen thread to get back on topic now please.

 

[derty]

I've just begun reading "Heaven and Earth: Global Warming; The Missing Science" by Professor Ian Plimer. I wonder if anyone has sent Mr Rudd a copy.

On the topic of scientific credibility:

Julia when reading Plimer's book please read it bearing in mind that he has approached the book with a pre-conceived view. In stating his argument he has produced some allegedly sloppy work that appears very selective in it's scope. A number of former colleagues have distanced themselves from this work of Plimer's and others have come out in aggressive opposition to it and the science behind it.

Might be handy to have one of the extensive rebuttals handy while reading. There are a few articles of support though they did not appear to be written by scientists and address any of the science behind the book.

Google: Plimer Heaven Earth Rebuttal http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sou...gle+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=&fp=e23b035f480f10e3

a couple of Radio National links:
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2009/06/orr_20090607.mp3
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2009/06/orr_20090607.mp3

and even one from The Australian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ian-plimer-heaven-and-earth/story-e6frg8no-1225710387147

Disclaimer: I have not read Plimer's book yet. If it is as poorly written and researched as is said I will purchase it 2nd hand rather than contribute to Plimer's populist cash-grab.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Julia when reading Plimer's book please read it bearing in mind that he has approached the book with a pre-conceived view.

Commentators and the opposed may have a preconceived view.

Disclaimer: I have not read Plimer's book yet. If it is as poorly written and researched as is said I will purchase it 2nd hand rather than contribute to Plimer's populist cash-grab.

Attacking credibility is not good argument and misleading. If you haven't read it you shouldn't have an opinion on it. If so you become a repeater.

 

[derty]

Commentators and the opposed may have a preconceived view.


Attacking credibility is not good argument and misleading. If you haven't read it you shouldn't have an opinion on it. If so you become a repeater.

Points taken. I wanted to give Julia the heads up while transparently qualifying my position.

I was going to purchase the book as I have enjoyed Plimer's other works w.r.t. the creation debate, though once I queried the book online I found extensive rebuttal and criticism with very little written in support of the book other than advertising and back-patting. The scientific criticisms of the book as far as I can tell have not yet been addressed.

 

[Julia]

derty, the copy I have is from the library. Clearly a number of people wish to read it as the library has several copies and I have been waiting more than six months on the list.

I initially requested it after reading a review which suggested it was reasonably balanced (I have yet to get far enough to decide if that's the case), and that it made necessary points which were purposely being obscured by the climate change enthusiasts.

I'm just always personally sceptical of anything which carries with it the sort of zealous fervour that accompanies everything said by those insisting changes in climate are anthropogenic. There is a kind of peculiar messianic passion and urgency which doesn't to me sit well with any objective science.

The author appears to be pretty well credentialled and awarded.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

derty, the copy I have is from the library. Clearly a number of people wish to read it as the library has several copies and I have been waiting more than six months on the list.

I initially requested it after reading a review which suggested it was reasonably balanced (I have yet to get far enough to decide if that's the case), and that it made necessary points which were purposely being obscured by the climate change enthusiasts.

I'm just always personally sceptical of anything which carries with it the sort of zealous fervour that accompanies everything said by those insisting changes in climate are anthropogenic. There is a kind of peculiar messianic passion and urgency which doesn't to me sit well with any objective science.

The author appears to be pretty well credentialled and awarded.

The fervor with which the alarmists show takes any credibility away from any negative review of, or comments on the book, unless that review addresses the positives and facts that support Plimer's conclusion.

Derty, why not just read it and then critique away?

 

[derty]

derty, the copy I have is from the library.

Thanks Julia, I had not even considered this.

Derty, why not just read it and then critique away?

Once I have a library copy in my hands I will have no excuse.

Looking forward to it, being, as Plimer is, a geologist I am familiar with geological time scales and earth processes.

 

[wayneL]

Land use from http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.c...-land-management-of-landscape-can-result-in/:

It is clear from these photos that very large differences in the surface fluxes of heat, momentum, water and carbon dioxide, as well as surface albedo will result. It is these changes over local and regional areas that result in landscape changes being a first order climate forcing.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Land use from http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.c...-land-management-of-landscape-can-result-in/:

I think there is something in that for everyone.

Cheers for post WayneL.