Now I know I am asking for trouble here based on a number of posts in this thread but here goes....
I have a friend in the AFP in Canberra and also know a couple of policemen in Qld who are reasonably well up the totem pole. All have said the same story so I'm not sure I have much reason to doubt it (as they don't know each other).
Now comes the hard part - noone would tell me any particular facts, except for all claiming that there was evidence against the said Dr Haneef on the terror front. But apparently the chances of prosecution were not high, so the charges were dropped and took the softer option of deportation instead. If true, it is NOT a Howard or Rudd issue - it is a policing and court issue (on a side note, I really wish people would stop reading political subtexts into stories, it absolutely sh**'s me when people grind political axes or justify political beliefs that way without knowing a shred of the real issue or fact). I don't know specifics on this case and I know I'll probably cop it for providing hearsay here, but that is what I have heard like it or lump it.
Read your own conclusions and please please please don't shoot the messenger.
Why is the guy so keen to leave his wife and young family to come and work/live here anyway ? suspicion should be grounds enough to exclude entry to Aus imho
Now I know I am asking for trouble here based on a number of posts in this thread but here goes....
I have a friend in the AFP in Canberra and also know a couple of policemen in Qld who are reasonably well up the totem pole. All have said the same story so I'm not sure I have much reason to doubt it (as they don't know each other).
Now comes the hard part - noone would tell me any particular facts, except for all claiming that there was evidence against the said Dr Haneef on the terror front. But apparently the chances of prosecution were not high, so the charges were dropped and took the softer option of deportation instead. If true, it is NOT a Howard or Rudd issue - it is a policing and court issue (on a side note, I really wish people would stop reading political subtexts into stories, it absolutely sh**'s me when people grind political axes or justify political beliefs that way without knowing a shred of the real issue or fact). I don't know specifics on this case and I know I'll probably cop it for providing hearsay here, but that is what I have heard like it or lump it.
Read your own conclusions and please please please don't shoot the messenger.
well since we're going hearsay.
I had a beer with a bloke ( a visiting professor, true story) in a gold coast hotel at the time
and he said he'd met Haneef's workmates
and they were outraged, and totally confident of his innocence, and totally happy to reemploy him (all as has been confirmed by subsequent press statements)
well since we're going hearsay.
I had a beer with a bloke ( a visiting professor, true story) in a gold coast hotel at the time
and he said he'd met Haneef's workmates
and they were outraged, and totally confident of his innocence, and totally happy to reemploy him (all as has been confirmed by subsequent press statements)
A Queensland Health executive says Dr Haneef's notoriety should not prevent him returning to the Gold Coast Hospital.
Gold Coast Health Service District manager Jeff Hollywood says Dr Haneef would be a welcome addition to the hospital staff, provided his visa and medical registration are in order.
He says Dr Haneef's public profile would not be an impediment to the efficient running of the Southport complex.
"He has gone through a process whereby the allegations made against him, he was cleared of those and he is clear to work in Australia," he said.
"I accept the umpire's decision, my responsibility is to employ staff who are competent and skilled and Dr Haneef fulfils those requirements."
He says Dr Haneef was well respected at the Southport complex.
"Other senior medical staff here were assessing him during his training and our executive director of medical services for the district has reviewed him, and his performance in the workplace and the quality of his work and he is a very, very good doctor," he said.
I agree with what you said Explod, but ill always be suspicious of a guy who chooses to live in another country and leave his wife and kids at "home".
6.5b people on this planet 20m here, we can well afford to be choosy, no bigotry involved, just an opinion amoung the many hundreds ......
I always fancy putting the shoe on the other foot and walking around, now If i deserted my family and moved to India and found myself in similar circumstances, I wonder what public opinion would be ?
So, so what...
You think that Haneef is going to stroll around his workplace announcing that he maybe up to no good.....
LIZ JACKSON: Police now had over 200 officers looking for evidence against Haneef, sifting through whatever they could find in bags from material taken from his apartment, his books, his papers, his phone records, all his financial transactions, and thousands of pages of material downloaded from the computer that Dr Haneef had left with his friend and colleague, Dr Asif Ali, just before he left for the airport.
and they found nothing - and/or were satisfied with his answers.PETER RUSSO (to Liz Jackson): And then the second questioning period started about 4:15 in the afternoon, I think.
LIZ JACKSON: And you were present?
PETER RUSSO: And I was there for that.
LIZ JACKSON: The questioning was conducted at the Homicide Squad, Queensland Police Headquarters.
It ran for 12 hours and 27 minutes.
The Rudd Government has promised to hold an inquiry into the case.
Dr Haneef's lawyer Peter Russo says he hopes his client will decide to return to Australia, but would understand if he goes elsewhere.
Mr Russo says his client has been vindicated by the Federal Court's decision.
"We've won each time we've gone into [it] so from that point of view it's very gratifying to get it to that point where we can start talking about when Mohammed can come back," he said.
"I think his best option is to finish his study at the Gold Coast Hospital.
Your inference is scurrulous. Just saying that it is dangerous to speculate on anything other than the facts.
Well you would say that, knowing full well that the AFP can not release all they have, for this would reveal to much to the likes of Haneef. So Haneef's lawyers play the "nothing in Australia" card and he gets his visa back... what do you think something like " don't worry, they don't know anything about you" mean ?? or do you choose to forget that bit...
Due to the bad press they recieved I am sure that the Feds would produce any relevant and factual evidence against Haneef of they had it. The war on the terror culture has tended to play on the "'cant' release due to national security reasons" or that it will give the game away idea to the point where most people believe that this approach is normal. Information about the activity of an individual or event has nothing to do with and would rarely give the game away on internal methods. In fact in this modern day of communications you can be assurred that all sides (good and bad) are well aware of investigative methodology and so called secrets of the trade.
Time to stop dreaming IMHO
So you think the AFP is more worried about bad press than protecting the nation... thankfully that does not appear to be the case.
From the start the AFP had said that nothing will be released, and it maybe due to o/s considerations....
What do you think something like " don't worry, they don't know anything about you" mean ???????? on a chat room just a short time after the Glasgow incident... hmmmmmm
Now I know I am asking for trouble here based on a number of posts in this thread but here goes....
I have a friend in the AFP in Canberra and also know a couple of policemen in Qld who are reasonably well up the totem pole. All have said the same story so I'm not sure I have much reason to doubt it (as they don't know each other).
Now comes the hard part - noone would tell me any particular facts, except for all claiming that there was evidence against the said Dr Haneef on the terror front. But apparently the chances of prosecution were not high, so the charges were dropped and took the softer option of deportation instead. If true, it is NOT a Howard or Rudd issue - it is a policing and court issue (on a side note, I really wish people would stop reading political subtexts into stories, it absolutely sh**'s me when people grind political axes or justify political beliefs that way without knowing a shred of the real issue or fact). I don't know specifics on this case and I know I'll probably cop it for providing hearsay here, but that is what I have heard like it or lump it.
Read your own conclusions and please please please don't shoot the messenger.
So you think the AFP is more worried about bad press than protecting the nation... thankfully that does not appear to be the case.
So are you going to be paranoid about the tens of thousands of workers up north are you? The sad fact is it is easier to get a visa if you leave your missus at home.I agree with what you said Explod, but ill always be suspicious of a guy who chooses to live in another country and leave his wife and kids at "home".
So are you going to be paranoid about the tens of thousands of workers up north are you? The sad fact is it is easier to get a visa if you leave your missus at home.
But hell, if you're that paranoid, you should be worried about someone like me. Lol! A red under your bed and all the rest.
Christ, this thread reads like a remedial class transcript.
Im not being paranoid, just saying , I cant see how you can be an effective father and role model living halfway around the Globe ..... some things are more Important than money ... thats why im suspicious on this chap over and above the allegations against him
Im not being paranoid, just saying , I cant see how you can be an effective father and role model living halfway around the Globe ..... some things are more Important than money ... thats why im suspicious on this chap over and above the allegations against him
So are you going to be paranoid about the tens of thousands of workers up north are you? The sad fact is it is easier to get a visa if you leave your missus at home.
But hell, if you're that paranoid, you should be worried about someone like me. Lol! A red under your bed and all the rest.
Christ, this thread reads like a remedial class transcript.
I am sure that as his child gets older he would have his family together. People from poorer circumstances sometimes have to make huge sacrifices to ensure income to keep their family from poverty. The dedication and study required to become a medical doctor is huge and from his poorer background must have been enormous. That alone sets him apart as a person with considerable substance and worthy to have the benefit of doubt where no evidence to the contrary seems to exist.
It is not for us to judge this type of issue anyway, doing so puts us at the lower end of the social scale. Because someone does not fit our mold, why should we be suspicious. Although that too is ok, it is the judgement without real fact that I do not believe we are entitled to make.
Have a happy xmas day which is very much about charity to others and an opportunity to forgive.
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