So you are telling me that your faith should be taught to our children?
I was taught to believe in evolution through to my University years because this was a so called 'theory' that some lecturer believed in.
Evolution is a proven fact.
It is??
I think it's pretty evident that there has been a progression of organisms (IMO), call it evolution if you will. In this sense evolution is fact; but the exact mechanism is hotly disputed, even amongst evolutionists.
For instance, faced with the above, religionistas may claim that God caused evolution to happen. This cannot be disproven. In this sense, the exact mechanism of evolution, remains in the realms of hypothesis.
IOW there is much about the theory of evolution that is not testable and ergo, speculative.
I was taught to believe in evolution through to my University years because this was a so called 'theory' that some lecturer believed in.
Well according to this philosophy we can also reasonably deduce that the events of the bible were real and therefore God is real.
So you are telling me that your faith should be taught to our children?
I was taught to believe in evolution through to my University years because this was a so called 'theory' that some lecturer believed in.
Yes.It is??
That mechanism is called abiogenisis, like it or not.I think it's pretty evident that there has been a progression of organisms (IMO), call it evolution if you will. In this sense evolution is fact; but the exact mechanism is hotly disputed, even amongst evolutionists.
Evolution says nothing on the origin of life.IOW there is much about the theory of evolution that is not testable and ergo, speculative.
You have no idea what a theory is.bullsvbears said:So you are telling me that your faith should be taught to our children?
I was taught to believe in evolution through to my University years because this was a so called 'theory' that some lecturer believed in
A major evolutionary innovation has unfurled right in front of researchers' eyes. It's the first time evolution has been caught in the act of making such a rare and complex new trait.
And because the species in question is a bacterium, scientists have been able to replay history to show how this evolutionary novelty grew from the accumulation of unpredictable, chance events.
How about we take a couple of steps back, bullsvs bears, and you share with us (I love that caring, sharing stuff) what your biblical beliefs actually do for your daily life?
Because isn't this what it really all comes down to? Don't we choose our beliefs for the happiness or comfort they confer on our tedious daily existence?
Or perhaps our future if we believe in life after death in order to make dying less frightening?...
Yes.
Btw, anyone got a good definition of what 'life' is?
That mechanism is called abiogenisis, like it or not.
For me, it's QED. We're here.
Some Billions of years ago, if we could travel back to a stereotypical 'pond scum' and test it's properties, we could categorically say, that is not 'life'.
Then, some millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of years later on a return trip, we could test it and categorically say, that is 'life'.
Is there any better hypothesis out there?
But, anyway, why stop at an ordinary rock from an ordinary sun? What's to ground us here?
Every cell in our bodies (bar hydrogen?) was manufactured inside a star.
That takes time.
The fact that we exist requires the Universe to be old, and it is.
Evolution says nothing on the origin of life.
There is no evidence against the evolution of life.
IMO the direct proof of abigenesis is that we are here today. We know that life occured at least once.I don't know if there is a better one or not, but it remains a hypothesis. Hypothesis is not proof, it's educated speculation.
It is a tremendous leap to claim proof, no matter how convinced you are
'Enormous gaps' like the dino to bird mythI am not arguing against evolution at, just that their are enormous gaps. We know for certain, certain things, but the gaps must be filled via hypothesis. Some people hypothesize things that others find ridiculous, c'est la vie.
'Enormous gaps' like the dino to bird mythNo, seriously?
What about Atlantis and the underwater man made constructions near Okinawa at Yonoguni? Were they made by the evolution humans or the creationist humans?
Not sure if you are trying us on here SP, but either way, their belief system and what they may have made/created has no bearing on existence, or how we evolved. At most the artifacts attributed to Atlantis are not more that 5 to 6,000 years old (just off the cuff from memory). If it took a billion years from the first two cells to get together to make the first bug that could wriggle then that is a very short time.
In fact our conscious presence at this time on this earth has little to do with who is God, and is or is he not, a pre-existing immortal who can just think his way around the universe.
Of course if there is such a God then the argumant would be entirely different, so perhaps by this deduction you are with him SP.
No, that is not a reasonable deduction. I could write a book about the fairies at the bottom of my garden, but that does not make them real. Biblical scholars now have a lot of evidence which suggests the bible was written by many disparate people, and the first written recordings date from around 1,000BC - at the time of the book of Kings. This is about 2,000 years after the purported events of the early part of the old testament. An oral tradition handed down for that length of time bears little resemblance to the truth. If you don't believe me, do some reading on the cargo cults of the 1940's and 1950's, and on a person called John Frum who is revered as a god in some parts of the south Pacific. (This is documented fact and there are people alive today who belong to this cult.) You will see how easily truth becomes distorted -and this is less than 100 years ago.
Back up what you say with facts here!
Evolution is not just a "so called theory that some lecturer believed in", it is supported by a massive weight of evidence which is being added to daily, and is believed in by most reputable scientists. Furthermore, a "theory" is not just an "idea", it is a proposition which is put forward only after a large body of evidence has led to its formulation. (Not well expressed - perhaps someone in the scientific commumity can do better.)
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