Does God Exist? [Arguments & Proofs]

[explod]

ANY claim requires evidence. Why should creationism be excepted?

Evolution Evidence: A ......... J ........ C .........Z
now I know my ABC.

Science has provided the evidence to support the Darwin theory of evolution, apart from ancient writings which at best are secondary there is no evidence to support that God exists.

Bullsvbears you have failed to deliver the direct proof that God exists after repeated requests to do so. You are therefore in my viewe wasting your time here.

Tomorrow read again the posts of Twiddle and think about the message as writings from the Bible of nature itself. It is felt by very many that God is nature and all around us and that our being forms a part of it, and that has been touched on by a number of other posters today. On reflection I feel that within myself.

 

[trainspotter]

I think, therefore I am ...... GOD. I exist. Beat that.

 

[Tink]

This debate will go on forever, but there will always be believers and non believers, and thats reality : )

 

[wayneL]

This debate will go on forever, but there will always be believers and non believers, and thats reality : )

I often wonder why people give a rat's what others believe.

Why is it important enough to argue over?

 

[trainspotter]

I often wonder why people give a rat's what others believe.

Why is it important enough to argue over?

People are insecure and are looking for approval from like minded thinkers. When you were a child you were rewarded for obeying with what your parents edict was at the time. Same situation here. Society is conditioned to gain acceptance from other people who in turn either pay them a compliment which releases endorphins into the brain to make them feel good about themselves. A kind of Pavlov's dog conditioning response if you like. On the other hand, a negative comment can release a "fight or fight" response and some people are addicted to this kind of rejoinder. I know of several ex members in here that thrived on the negative (rederob springs to mind) Classic nemesis personality complex. Superman needs Lex Luthor, Yin requires Yang and people seek the approval of others.

It is important enough to argue over? You betcha !! (the difference of opinions and not the God thing)

 

[explod]

I think, therefore I am ...... GOD. I exist. Beat that.

Good point, think there is quite a few of us here on ASF.

"Oh how hard it is to be humble when your perfect in every way..."

If we can get bullsvbears to believe more in himself, just like us, then it may lessen his need for reassurance from the biblical tales.

 

[explod]

I often wonder why people give a rat's what others believe.

Why is it important enough to argue over?

In my view because the God delusion has done so much damage and continues to do so at an exponential rate.

If (and it is impossible I know) everyone believed and understood proper evolutionary theory most of problems would go away. Too many instances in which to even start, but think about it.

 

[Tink]

I disagree with you there explod, you may have had bad experiences but I havent.

I accept that you dont believe but please dont expect us all to think like you : )

Move on...

 

[wayneL]

In my view because the God delusion has done so much damage and continues to do so at an exponential rate.

If (and it is impossible I know) everyone believed and understood proper evolutionary theory most of problems would go away. Too many instances in which to even start, but think about it.

That doesn't answer the question and is merely an extension of the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. IOW if everybody agreed with me there would be no argument.

Why should I give a Rat's that you are an Atheist? Why should I give a Rat's if BVB is a Christian. I have my own reasons for being neither, but likewise that's really only my own business.

Apart from sometimes interesting conversation, I only really care if either of you starts to really annoy me in some social setting by proselytizing your position, or to impinge on my lawful activities.

I like debate because it gives me things to think about, but argumentative militants can just ~~~~ off. They don't really have anything to offer.

 

[explod]

That doesn't answer the question and is merely an extension of the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. IOW if everybody agreed with me there would be no argument.

Why should I give a Rat's that you are an Atheist? Why should I give a Rat's if BVB is a Christian. I have my own reasons for being neither, but likewise that's really only my own business.

Apart from sometimes interesting conversation, I only really care if either of you starts to really annoy me in some social setting by proselytizing your position, or to impinge on my lawful activities.

I like debate because it gives me things to think about, but argumentative militants can just ~~~~ off. They don't really have anything to offer.

Yep, you are probably on the ball. Tink hit the spot, I have a huge problem with it and should go away.

I have seen the disgusting side of it which colours the ballance.

Off topic, its about the theories and not the individual. Apologies

 

[Julia]

That doesn't answer the question and is merely an extension of the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. IOW if everybody agreed with me there would be no argument.

Why should I give a Rat's that you are an Atheist? Why should I give a Rat's if BVB is a Christian. I have my own reasons for being neither, but likewise that's really only my own business.

Apart from sometimes interesting conversation, I only really care if either of you starts to really annoy me in some social setting by proselytizing your position, or to impinge on my lawful activities.

I like debate because it gives me things to think about, but argumentative militants can just ~~~~ off. They don't really have anything to offer.

You've pretty much answered your own question above, Wayne: viz "it's sometimes interesting".

I'm genuinely interested in why people believe what they do, and not just about God/religion.

I've tried to ask the question a few times, but no one has actually explained WHY they believe in a God.

Also, I can't see any justification for any position other than agnosticism, in that neither believers nor atheists can prove their position.

Yep, you are probably on the ball. Tink hit the spot, I have a huge problem with it and should go away.

. Apologies

On the contrary, explod, you've made some thoughtful contributions.
Would prefer that you don't go away.

 

[trainspotter]

That doesn't answer the question and is merely an extension of the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. IOW if everybody agreed with me there would be no argument.

Then you truly would be a GOD if you could get everyone to agree with you. Either that or a dictator. Sort of the same thing I guess.

Psalm 137 is still my favourite.

 

[wayneL]

Then you truly would be a GOD if you could get everyone to agree with you. Either that or a dictator. Sort of the same thing I guess.

The statement was rhetorical.

 

[Wysiwyg]

We don't need to 'think' a god exists in order to complete a life cycle. No other living organisms do this. A human life cycle can be short or long regardless of whether we think there is a god or not. So that is proof.

What drives the spermatozoon to create new life? Swimming purposefully and carrying the blue print for that species to continue existence. It is the same drive that a whole organism has to go on living. A specific task must be completed for continued life. Basic observation.

 

[nunthewiser]

I often wonder why people give a rat's what others believe.

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Good to see like mindedness

often wonder why people try to preach there beliefs to those that dont give a rats also

have a great day

 

[trainspotter]

The statement was rhetorical.

Or you could be a moderator in ASF?? Same thing really. You have the power to delete and excommunicate at will. LOLOLOLOL.

 

[Twiddle]

If you are in this thread posting, no matter how you are posting, It shows you care about what others think about these things.

These beliefs are important, because often they inform our actions.

 

[Tink]

That doesn't answer the question and is merely an extension of the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. IOW if everybody agreed with me there would be no argument.

Why should I give a Rat's that you are an Atheist? Why should I give a Rat's if BVB is a Christian. I have my own reasons for being neither, but likewise that's really only my own business.

Apart from sometimes interesting conversation, I only really care if either of you starts to really annoy me in some social setting by proselytizing your position, or to impinge on my lawful activities.

I like debate because it gives me things to think about, but argumentative militants can just ~~~~ off. They don't really have anything to offer.

Thats an excellent post Wayne

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what a person believes, as long as they arent affecting you : )

 

[bellenuit]

Thats an excellent post Wayne

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what a person believes, as long as they arent affecting you : )

.... or anybody else that doesn't want to be a part of it.

 

[bullsvsbears]

OK, enough time wasted. Conversation over.

One last thing though BVB, and I mean this sincerely. Please read some books by evolutionary biologists. The list I gave you earlier contains some absolute pearlers. Evolution is not only true, it is also fascinating and wonderful.

I have lots of compassion for your beliefs Twiddle and by no means think anything less of you because of your beliefs nor am I attempting to change your ways. Like I have already stated in previous posts, I too was an atheist at one stage. One of the traits that has changed about my personality now that I acknowledge God's existence is that I no longer hold bitterness or resentment for those who oppose my views...I hope you feel the same way.

May your stocks be good stocks
Cheers