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Re: Julia Gillard the Home Wrecker

A Prime Minister should be above reproach. They should be someone we can all trust 100%. Their life should be available to withstand any scrutiny.

I dont know if it possible to find such a person but we should aim to get as close as possible to that objective. Rudd couldn't trust Gillard so can we. Then again can we trust Abbott, I dont. So we are between a rock and a hard place.

I have found in life that those that are suspicious of everyone else is that way inclined because they cant be trusted themselves. So I try to base my criticism on facts not suspicions. Therefore I voted for the subject to continue to be debated assuming that there is truth in the allegations, that they are actual facts.

After all the CEO of DJs had to resign because he couldnt be trusted to resist the urge to fratenise with a staffer. Surely we would expect the same standard of our Prime Minister.
 
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After all the CEO of DJs had to resign because he couldnt be trusted to resist the urge to fratenise with a staffer. Surely we would expect the same standard of our Prime Minister.
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In an ideal world, but this is not so. However I think this is very different to the DJ incident and two side are emerging from that also.

Look at the way Hawke womanised and drank to excess only to become, some claim, a great Prime Minister.
 
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IMO labor has chosen to make this election a personality contest between Gillard and Abbot. If that's the case then labor has to put up with scrutiny into Gillards history.

They know Gillard's ability to spin her way out of difficult questions with a flick of the head, a giggle, a few hand signals, a babble on about something irrelevant... and next question please...

Billion dollar blunders are treated with the same brush off...

Is this what we really want for the next three years...
 
Julia said:
It's not meaningful to quote that on its own.
NZ at the same time is about to reduce the top marginal rate to 33% and the corporate rate to 28%.
NZ has no CGT.
NZ has non means-tested national superannuation available to every person over 65.
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Yes good point Julia, and a lot of people do not realise that when the GST was introduced into the Australian system, the states were supoosed to have drop their state taxes but in lots of cases this has not happened and to this day are still applying stamp duty certain financial transactions.
 
Re: Julia Gillard the Home Wrecker

I think the poll results highlight not just the diversity of opinion on ASF but the reality of the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" role of a forum administrator.

With approximately 58% voting for the thread to stay and 42% voting for its removal I hope everyone can see how impossible it is to please everyone. That's what makes these kind of decisions difficult. Whatever I decide, on whatever issue, there are going to be some on ASF who think I made the right decision and those who think I made a terrible decision. In this particular instance, there are also probably those who think allowing a vote was the wrong decision.

Anyway, I said I would abide by the decision of the majority and will allow the thread to stay for that reason. However, as sails suggested, I will consider editing the thread title so that it's not so provocative. I will also be removing the poll from the thread shortly.
 
Re: Julia Gillard the Home Wrecker

We already have a thread on Julia Gillard just merge it
 
Re: Julia Gillard the Home Wrecker

moXJO said:
We already have a thread on Julia Gillard just merge it
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Good idea. Threads merged.

For those who wish to alter their thread rating you are free to do so.
 
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I'm no reader of right pulse, but if Labor want to dish it out, they shouldn't squeal when they get some back. Personal attack ads on Abbott are still running daily..'mad monk'..off the cuff student remarks..any other grubby smear they can rake up. So let's not have a double standard here.

Also bigdog made a relevant point that might have been overlooked, as bolded above.

Q: Do these things undermine traditional hetero marriage and family structure - paid maternity leave, rebates on childcare, rebates on education.

If you think it's a fantasy claim, go to your local library or bookshop and pick up a copy of former NZ Labour PM Helen Clark's biography, it will make your hair curl. Back me up here NZ posters who know this history. To the credit of the Kiwis, they finally woke up and turfed the lot of them out.
 
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wayneL said:
Yep, The socialists always squeal when their own methods are used on their own.
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I highly doubt any one side of politics is cleaner than the other.

The minor parties on both side of the political spectrum tend to be cleaner, but when you are all care and no repsonsibility your task is much easier.
 
I believe that both Abbot and Gillard are both duds and it is embarrassing that one of them will be our prime minister shortly!
 
bigdog said:
I believe that both Abbot and Gillard are both duds and it is embarrassing that one of them will be our prime minister shortly!
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Good, some agreement at last coming through.

Maybe time to dump this thread and go to the election discussion.

Still thinks she looks nice though.
 
explod said:
...Still thinks she looks nice though.
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lol - that's a matter of opinion - all I see is someone who can't answer questions properly - giggles on about other things with those annoying hand signals. It's too frustrating to watch.

But how will looks help her manage the country? Her track record in fiscal management isn't inspiring.
 
bigdog said:
I believe that both Abbot and Gillard are both duds and it is embarrassing that one of them will be our prime minister shortly!
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+1



but the spending has to slow down! We have been fortunate so far despite government actions, now if they can just stop digging while the hole is relatively smallish.
 
explod said:
Good, some agreement at last coming through.

Maybe time to dump this thread and go to the election discussion.

Still thinks she looks nice though.
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Compared to Abbot she is a Godess
 

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Looks and gender have nothing to do with it, agreed, just being a tounge in cheek chauvinist and should know better.

A Prime Minister alone cannot run the country, nor can they know or formulate the policy. It is done by astute delegation.

Creen spoke well on ABC last night and it suddenly occurred to me we had not seen that for awhile. Rudd was a one man band, it all fell off the truck for him (he in fact did it to himself) and the rest is now history.

It is my view also that Howard lost the last election for similar reasons. There is a saying that goes back a bit now, "elections are not won they are lost"

Gillard seems to have the ability to take questions in her stride and laugh along at the same time. Rudd treated reporters and most others with contempt in the end. Others, were Howard, Keating, Hawke, Fraser and Whitlam. Takes a huge ego to aspire to and become a leader, so maybe an occupational hazard to some degree.

Gillard has a refreshing approach that is different so many of us are not yet in tune with this style. We instinctively gravitate to the autocrat perhaps.

Interesting times ahead.
 
Tony Abbott has an Economics degree, plus a law degree, was a Rhodes scholar, and has an MA in Politics and Philosophy (Oxford).

Andrew Robb also has an Economics degree, as does Sussan Ley, Shadow Treasury spokeswoman, plus MTax and MAcc.

The Coalition's spokesman on consumer affairs has a B.Comm, and the Small Business spokesman has B.Bus plus additional Business Leadership qualifications.


On the government side, they are mostly Arts and Law graduates except for Chris Bowen who has a BEc, and Craig Emerson, who has BEc, MEc, and PhD in Economics.
 
explod said:
...Interesting times ahead.
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Possibly scary times ahead for those of us who are nervous about labor's ability to govern efficiently.

Agree that there is much more to Government than the leader. What about Swan lurking in the background. He is deputy and apart from the odd appearance, he seems to be keeping fairly quiet in this election campaign. Please correct me if I am wrong!

If it came down to a contest between Swan and Abbott, I don't think Swan would stand a chance. It would make Abbott's slower speech quite acceptable.

A vote for labor is also a vote for Swan...
 
Swan looked like a bunny in the headlights when the GFC hit, he had no idea what was coming down the pike when he took the job. If it where another country it would have been funny to watch, as it was, it was terrifying. He is clueless, why you don't have to be at least partially qualified to be treasurer I will never know. That in itself is just plain scary, talk about blind leading the blind.

Mr Swan please just go away!

 
Calliope said:
Yes. Even explod couldn't say that he looks nice. His face is quite weird when he tries to smile. It doesn't come natural.
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He will be all over our TV screens if labor wins the election. If Gillard is o/seas - he will be running the country.

No wonder he is keeping quiet for now...
 
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