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It's my intention to see how the comparison looks after a full year.As a direct comparison you are probably right in your cost comparisons. But Smart Power is also meant to encourage you to change your usage pattern so that heavy usage is directed towards the lower tariff periods away from the high tariff periods. For me, that changes the equation in favour of smart power.
You think so
At least with investment properties you could have a laugh at the horror stories.
With this solar stuff it won't become a drama untill the feed in tarrifs cut out.
Then smart meters that have been installed can really be exploited and everyone will be screaming, give me back the inductive disk meter.
There you go Todster, we said this could happen back in early November.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...he-cost-of-power/story-e6freuzi-1226227988163
From your link, sp:There you go Todster, we said this could happen back in early November.
Bloody Christine Milne! It's just fine for her. She's just scored a 30% pay rise.Senator Milne said: "For too long, governments, businesses and householders haven't tackled our hugely wasteful use of energy because there has been no clear and urgent driver to do so." She said a target for energy use reduction should be set at 3 per cent a year.
Energy Users Association executive director Roman Domanski said similar schemes in Australia and overseas had produced limited benefits. He said time-of-use pricing would be more pronounced in hotter areas of Sydney - the west.
"If the government introduces a scheme like that, it is going to increase bills," he said.
"We're now going to have a carbon price that is going to encourage people, supposedly, to lower emissions and also reduce the amount of energy people use so we wonder why you need one of these sorts of schemes to push electricity prices up even more."
A spokeswoman for parliamentary secretary for climate change Mark Dreyfus said a national energy savings initiative was aimed at "helping households and business save money on energy costs".
If the panels are facing east you are making power in the morning when you don't need it. When the house is hot in the afternoon and you turn on the a/c the panels won't be producing. IMO
By the way he doesn't have much north facing roof.
DYE is already in my portfolio.There is a company right now, in Australia, which is making pretty good ground in 3rd gen technology - Dyesol which is also listed on the ASX. Currently on my stocks to watch list
Good for you. However, those generous subsidies are a large part of what is driving up electricity bills for those who don't have the panels, including in particular people on low incomes who - regardless of any subsidy - would have had no hope of installing them.Admittedly, the payback is accelerated thanks to some generous subsidies, but it's the bottom line that counts for me.
So, what do you suggest, Julia? Not install Solar? Or reject the subsidy? I don't believe that would benefit a single disadvantaged person.Good for you. However, those generous subsidies are a large part of what is driving up electricity bills for those who don't have the panels, including in particular people on low incomes who - regardless of any subsidy - would have had no hope of installing them.
As always, it's the poor who are always most further disadvantaged.
Right now, with the current technology and price, it'll be foolish to get solar panels now.
Given a few years, when solar becomes grid parity then it'll be worth it...
So many people willing to spend tens of thousands on solar without actually doing a bit of research into the technology. The panels out there now are second generation, but pretty soon in the future there will be 3rd gen solar coming out, which will compete with coal on efficiency and cost
There is a company right now, in Australia, which is making pretty good ground in 3rd gen technology - Dyesol which is also listed on the ASX. Currently on my stocks to watch list
So, should l wait to buy a laptop or car because the next model is just around the corner? I'd be waiting forever with your logic mate.
Figures for my own circumstances are as follows.Two questions you should ask....
Does the cost outweigh the benefit
Is it a want or a need?
Two questions you should ask....
Does the cost outweigh the benefit
Is it a want or a need?
It comes down to a question of economic and/or environmental issues. Which is more important is a matter of personal opinion.Right now, with the current technology and price, it'll be foolish to get solar panels now.
Given a few years, when solar becomes grid parity then it'll be worth it...
Two questions you should ask....
Does the cost outweigh the benefit
Is it a want or a need?
Well I have had my 1.5kw system on for 1year, it has made $818. So therefore the payback time at current tarrifs, given similar consumption and weather, will be 4 years.
That will leave 6 years of income, if all goes well, before the feed in tarrif stops. Then you are saving on the cost by offsetting your consumption. Who knows what the price per kw will be then?
Better - not going to make any practical difference. Electricity is electricity.Panels may indeed get better and cheaper, but I'm getting min 20% on my money now. What's that saying about a bird in the hand.....
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