Diggers Never Lie

[IFocus]

Bloody idiots to have put it in the public domain.

But not half as stupid as the idiots on Hot Crapper.

Young adults do silly things sometimes.

These guys are being shot at on a daily basis, and every parked car could be an IED.

Give them a break.

Or, volunteer and go there yourself.

Boys will be boys, I understand basilio's points and posting on the net was stupid.

Fact is its reality when you go of to be placed in harms way to kill the enemy who ever that is reality gets distorted.

I think the same give them a break.

Right or wrong, through thick and thin, I can only ever support our troops no matter what their failings, after all they serve to benefit us all what ever that is, not a choice they get to make.

 

[Julia]

I don't see why being employed by the ADF should be any different from being employed by any other organisation.

As has been pointed out, they were not conscripted, but chose to join the ADF.
In so doing they have signed up to uphold the culture of the organisation, regardless of the stresses fighting a war brings.

If they are not prepared to uphold the values of the organisation that is employing them, then they should seek employment elsewhere.

The comments are utterly stupid in the public domain, thoughtless in the extreme, and will require considerable mopping up by leaders to assuage the damage.

 

[Calliope]

The comments are utterly stupid in the public domain, thoughtless in the extreme....

Of course they are, as are a lot of derogatory comments made on this thread by holier-than-thou armchair critics sitting in judgement of people who do their dirty work.

 

[medicowallet]

Of course they are, as are a lot of derogatory comments made on this thread by holier-than-thou armchair critics sitting in judgement of people who do their dirty work.

Of course, but which organisation do we represent?

This IS the correct channel to do such things.

I am with the others, they can talk amongst themselves in gruntspeak, but it reflects poorly on the service and the country when they go public (even unintentionally)

 

[Sean K]

I don't see why being employed by the ADF should be any different from being employed by any other organisation.

As has been pointed out, they were not conscripted, but chose to join the ADF.

In so doing they have signed up to uphold the culture of the organisation, regardless of the stresses fighting a war brings.

Yes, they should be smarter and more disciplined, but I think they are, for 18-25 year olds.

Not many organisations have such a low average age.

Put your average suburban football team out there and see how they behave.

 

[snowking]

Geez, whilst we want them to behave lets be realistic.

The fact is, they are in Afghanistan to fight a war, to kill other humans and yet we are shocked by their language and actions towards the people firing back at them. We can't really have it both ways, we dont know what its like to be somewhere where you could be shot at any moment or be driving along and have an IED blow up your vehicle.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

One of the facets of this storm in a teacup, which should not be overlooked, is the intense loyalty that people in the ADF show to their mates.

This is exemplified by Gen Cosgrove's comments in an article in a low circulation left wing suburban Sydney newspaper, the Sydney Morning Herald.

Compare those to Smith, a rooster, and now Defence Minister in a minority ALP/Green guvment.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...r-troops-facebook-insults-20110326-1cace.html

Other posts reportedly describe Gillard as a "f(expletive) ranga" in reference to her red hair, while one contains a photo of a soldier with Rudd in which a comment refers to the foreign minister as a "tool".

"I condemn it absolutely," Smith said, adding that the Australian Defence Force would pursue the matter vigorously.

"And that includes the possibility of disciplinary proceedings. It also includes the possibility of people who are associated or involved with this, if they are in Afghanistan, being returned home."

But former Australian Defence Force chief Peter Cosgrove said while the comments were "silly" and those involved should be counselled, any reaction needed to be kept in proportion.

General Cosgrove, chief of defence between 2002 and 2005, said the soldiers' work in Afghanistan essentially contradicted the comments.

"Every time they go outside the wire they are targets and they accept that cheerfully," he said.

"I think in Australia, across the board, there are racist elements, sadly. I don't think the Defence Force is anything other than a microcosm of the wider society."

gg

 

[Julia]

Geez, whilst we want them to behave lets be realistic.

The fact is, they are in Afghanistan to fight a war, to kill other humans and yet we are shocked by their language and actions towards the people firing back at them. We can't really have it both ways, we dont know what its like to be somewhere where you could be shot at any moment or be driving along and have an IED blow up your vehicle.

You're missing the point. It doesn't have to do with being shocked at what they have said. I'd be surprised if they didn't engage in some pretty strong expressions of their feelings.

Rather that they should be stupid enough to put their comments out in the public domain, thus embarrassing the ADF and at least to some extent undermining what Australia is attempting to do in that part of the world.

The relevant Afghani Minister has not been backward in expressing his unhappiness.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

You're missing the point. It doesn't have to do with being shocked at what they have said. I'd be surprised if they didn't engage in some pretty strong expressions of their feelings.

Rather that they should be stupid enough to put their comments out in the public domain, thus embarrassing the ADF and at least to some extent undermining what Australia is attempting to do in that part of the world.

The relevant Afghani Minister has not been backward in expressing his unhappiness.

Julia, they are AJ's, not candidates for the Nobel. Give them some slack, this is how they communicate, share photos, etc.

Its an ADF problem. These guys were just unlucky some journo got his or her paws on it.

It needs to be taken in context.

gg

 

[trainspotter]

Julia, they are AJ's, not candidates for the Nobel. Give them some slack, this is how they communicate, share photos, etc.

Its an ADF problem. These guys were just unlucky some journo got his or her paws on it.

It needs to be taken in context.

gg

Not quite there old ****. They posted it on Facebook. The scourge of society. A blight on humanity and all the known senses. Public domain stuff. Journos did not have to look very hard to find it when it is out there for all to see.

Harry Morant: Live each day as though it were your last; one day you're sure to be right. Rule 303.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Not quite there old ****. They posted it on Facebook. The scourge of society. A blight on humanity and all the known senses. Public domain stuff. Journos did not have to look very hard to find it when it is out there for all to see.

Harry Morant: Live each day as though it were your last; one day you're sure to be right. Rule 303.

I don't agree with the first paragraph, ts, most diggers would see facebook as an arena for getting a root, sharing photos and engaging with their mates. Now , you and I know this is dangerous, but they don't, or didn't.

I can guarantee you that at this very moment someone from Psy Corps and Media in the ADF, are doing up a DVD on the dangers of Facebook.

gg

 

[snowking]

Not quite there old ****. They posted it on Facebook. The scourge of society. A blight on humanity and all the known senses. Public domain stuff. Journos did not have to look very hard to find it when it is out there for all to see.

Harry Morant: Live each day as though it were your last; one day you're sure to be right. Rule 303.

im sure these ADF personnel are trying to have some fun, well provided thats what you mean by Morant's quote, taking the piss of the enemy and the people who are keeping you there would imply that to me :

 

[Calliope]

These soldiers are trained to be attack dogs, not guide dogs. They can't be both. Soldiers, because of their dangerous work and their mateship, lag far behind the Community in political correctness.

I well remember when I was demobbed after serving with the 1st Battaion RAR in the Korean War it took me some time to stop using words (like Gook) and phrases which in other circumstances people would find offensive. But in those days people understood, as a large proportion of the population had been in the Services, and political correctness hadn't been invented.

And how do you tell a good Afghan from a bad Afghan. It takes an army of psychologists, legals and do-gooders years to do this on Christmas Island, even though the rioters have done most of their job for them.

 

[nunthewiser]

Diggers accused of drug dealing as Townsville Lavarack Barracks raided Nathan Paull From: Townsville Bulletin March 28, 2011
The Lavarack Army Barracks, Townsville.
Soldier's ex alleges Afghan drug imports
Police raid Townsville army barracks
At least one soldier arrested in raid
More on army drug raids at the Townsville Bulletin
POLICE and defence force investigators have raided a north Queensland army base after claims of drug trafficking and abuse by soldiers.
In a statement, the Australian Defence Force (ADF) has confirmed it's begun an investigation into the alleged use of illicit substance by soldiers at Townsville's Lavarack Barracks.

But the whistleblower has told the Townsville Bulletin that soldiers were buying drugs cheaply in Afghanistan and on other overseas missions, before selling them for profit at home.

And the solider’s ex-partner claims the ADF has turned a blind eye to the scandal until now.

The Townsville Bulletin reports at least one soldier has been arrested and ten others were targeted in the raids on the barracks and soldiers’ homes on Saturday.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/dig...-barracks-raided/story-e6frg12c-1226029547836

GG?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I could be wrong, I believe it is steroids, they were using.

No excuse, let us see the law take it's course, or go on to facebook for an update.

gg

 

[Sean K]

I could be wrong, I believe it is steroids, they were using.

No excuse, let us see the law take it's course, or go on to facebook for an update.

gg

Yes, steroids.

Steroids are illegal.

Like speeding.

And drink driving.

No one in Australia has ever done that.

Apparently, steroids allow you to recover faster and become stronger and more muscular.

Since the Army is involved in a competitive sport where your physique is compared against another physique and you are required to run 100m really really fast, then they have done a nasty nasty thing.

Tisk tisk, for wanting to be stronger and faster than the next man, or woman, or terrorist.

Damn, I hope we don't have these stronger and faster soldiers fighting against the Taliban.

We are doomed!!

 

[shag]

steroids are not strictly illegal, sometimes they are used to bulk up persons for medical reasons and other such reasons, just another medical tool, you just need a common GP's script here.
with moderation and common sense they do not seem, as i reliably informed, as evil as we so often get told.

Yes, steroids.

Steroids are illegal.

Like speeding.

And drink driving.

No one in Australia has ever done that.

Apparently, steroids allow you to recover faster and become stronger and more muscular.

Since the Army is involved in a competitive sport where your physique is compared against another physique and you are required to run 100m really really fast, then they have done a nasty nasty thing.

Tisk tisk, for wanting to be stronger and faster than the next man, or woman, or terrorist.

Damn, I hope we don't have these stronger and faster soldiers fighting against the Taliban.

We are doomed!!