Corruption in the Liberal Party

[Ves]

If I've offended you I'm entirely happy to apologise.

There is no need to apologize Julia, there is no angst or ill-will at all intended on my behalf. I thought that your comment about Ned Kelly was very interesting and that is why I replied to it as a separate idea (it was not my intention at all to focus on the element of it being interpreted as derogative to Australian culture, but more of the nuance of it being relevant to the context of this debate). I enjoy finding connections between the past and the present and it is often said that history rhymes, and is fairly cylical or thematically repetitive, so it is sometimes worth making unusual connections, especially out of context.

I accept that some posters will find this distasteful or bothersome to their aims.

I wouldn't be so much offended that someone has withdrawn from the context of something that I have said, but more pleased that they bothered to take the time to read my post and think about it, perhaps even consider it in a different light.

You or others may see that as folly, but in my experience, it is what moves the dialogue of life along, despite the temporary diversions or distractions it may cause to us in the present.

In any event, Happy Easter and I hope we can all continue to find new ways of looking at things.

 

[Julia]

Ves, thoughtful and much appreciated post. Your points are very valid. Thank you and good wishes.

 

[SirRumpole]

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That is fine by me too so why don't you ask Rumpy to delete this thread altogether instead of trying discredit the Liberal Party.......There seems to be a lack of principle here.

Oh, there is no lack of principle, simply a desire for balance. There is a thread about about ICAC's enquiries into union corruption, so are we supposed to ignore corruption elsewhere ?

We could amalgamate everything into a "Corruption in Politics" thread, that would be fine by me.

 

[Calliope]

Oh, there is no lack of principle, simply a desire for balance. There is a thread about about ICAC's enquiries into union corruption, so are we supposed to ignore corruption elsewhere ?

We could amalgamate everything into a "Corruption in Politics" thread, that would be fine by me.

I think "Corruption in the Greens" would provide enough balance and would be fine by me.

 

[IFocus]

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How about we just condemn all corruption and stop trying the "they're badder than my team" argument. Most of us don't see much to distinguish either party from the other when it comes to corruption and jobs for mates.


That is fine by me too so why don't you ask Rumpy to delete this thread altogether instead of trying discredit the Liberal Party.......There seems to be a lack of principle here.

Extraordinary post after your continued vitriol of the greens and Labor Party

 

[noco]

Oh, there is no lack of principle, simply a desire for balance. There is a thread about about ICAC's enquiries into union corruption, so are we supposed to ignore corruption elsewhere ?

We could amalgamate everything into a "Corruption in Politics" thread, that would be fine by me.

Sydboy was referring to corruption in politics on both sides of the major parties....The Royal Commission into union corruption is another issue and is completely divorced from the Liberal Party but may not exclude the Labor Party.

 

[banco]

Extraordinary post after your continued vitriol of the greens and Labor Party

Irony and self awareness aren't noco's strong points.

 

[noco]

Irony and self awareness aren't noco's strong points.

When the comrades of the Green (the socialist left in the Labor Part) find it hard to win an argument it is in their DNA to attack the character of the man.

I am not surprised at your comment

 

[sydboy007]

Sydboy was referring to corruption in politics on both sides of the major parties....The Royal Commission into union corruption is another issue and is completely divorced from the Liberal Party but may not exclude the Labor Party.

You may come to regret that statement.

I doubt anyone would have thought the current NSW ICAC proceedings would claim a Liberal state Premier and quite likely a Liberal Federal Assistant Treasurer. If Sinodinos' actions are not referred to ASIC for further investigation into his inaction on meeting his legal responsibilities as a director, well that in itself is another form of corruption where the elite rarely suffer the consequences of their actions.

Start looking at business union deals and I wont be surprised if other stuff comes floating to the top of the pond that links back tot eh Liberal party.

I'm all for shinning a bright light into areas that seem to be rife with corruption. Much easier to exterminate the roaches when you an see them, and hopefully we can clean things up and move on.

I just find your belief that someone left of centre is somehow more corrupt that those to the right quite strange, with no basis in reality. Generally the most corrupt in any organising are at the top, the ones with the power to take advantage of their positions. At the grass roots levels pretty much most of the members are good people. To judge a whole group by the bad actions of a very small minority isn't particularly fair to those who've done no wrong.

 

[SirRumpole]

Sydboy was referring to corruption in politics on both sides of the major parties....The Royal Commission into union corruption is another issue and is completely divorced from the Liberal Party but may not exclude the Labor Party.

Syd made a very valid point about business/union deals and what gets unearthed in enquiries.

The Painters and Dockers Union Royal Commission dragged up (pun intended) the bottom of the harbour tax schemes of the rich and powerful so who knows what the current union enquiry will reveal.

Interesting (and nervous for some) times ahead.

 

[IFocus]

A damming article by Paul Sheehan of all people

Bottle of wine revealed Liberal Party was under the influence

It’s not as if the Herald hasn’t been banging on for years about the pervasive influence-peddling inside the NSW Liberal Party, with its fake branches, stacked preselections, abuse of process, factional goons and subculture of turning politics into profit.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/bottl...e-influence-20140420-zqwzr.html#ixzz2zTIzzYyp

 

[Calliope]

Generally the most corrupt in any organising are at the top, the ones with the power to take advantage of their positions.

Exactly. That is what the Royal Commission into union corruption is all about. If justice is served those at the top of the union hierachies will get their comeuppance. It may also expose those at the top of organisations like Theiss for aiding and abetting union corruption. It may also protect the workers from having their funds being used on election campaigns for top union offiials.

I'm not surprised the Sirumpy is nervous.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'm not surprised the Sirumpy is nervous.

ROFL

What have I got to be nervous about ? I'm retired so the whole lot of them, business , unions , politicians can come down for all I care. I'm just realistic to know that corruption can exist anywhere, from a cop on the beat who protects brothels in return for favours up to the boardrooms and Cabinet Office. So there is no point just putting the spotlight on unions, the whole system has to been cleaned out regularly.

 

[Calliope]

ROFL

What have I got to be nervous about ? I'm retired so the whole lot of them, business , unions , politicians can come down for all I care. I'm just realistic to know that corruption can exist anywhere, from a cop on the beat who protects brothels in return for favours up to the boardrooms and Cabinet Office. So there is no point just putting the spotlight on unions, the whole system has to been cleaned out regularly.

:topic You can get your rump up off the floor Sirumpy. Perhaps you should start a thread about "a cop on the beat who protects brothels", along with the one about "Corruption in the Greens".

But that is not to claim that there are easy answers. The crimes ICAC deals with are difficult to prove to the demanding standards Australians rightly set; and exposure, whatever its deficiencies, is better than no remedy at all. Moreover, power corrupts; and though the Coalition is far from rivalling the gangrene that permeates Labor, the dreadful price it is paying should reinforce its vigilance against the threat that is posed by the Nick Di Girolamos of this world.

Yet vigilance cannot be enough. Ultimately, corruption is at its most dangerous when governments have large rents to distribute: lavish contracts for some; lucrative sinecures for others. Had Sydney Water been privately owned, Australian Water Holdings would have been more likely to compete on its merits, rather than through tainted gifts and extravagant donations. Equally, were industrial relations regulated mainly by contract, rather than by government fiat, Julia Gillard and Bill Shorten would not have had a slew of powerful and well-paid jobs for their union cronies at the public’s expense.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-justice-delayed/story-e6frg9io-1226890652113

 

[SirRumpole]

:topic You can get your rump up off the floor Sirumpy. Perhaps you should start a thread about "a cop on the beat who protects brothels", along with the one about "Corruption in the Greens".

No thanks. As you are too one eyed to accept that there is corruption in your beloved Liberal Party, I'll use this thread to help to educate you whenever possible.

 

[Calliope]

No thanks. As you are too one eyed to accept that there is corruption in your beloved Liberal Party, I'll use this thread to help to educate you whenever possible.

And you too one-eyed to accept that there is corruption in your beloved Greens Party. By "educate" I assume you mean "indocrinate." Fat chance.

By the way, didn't you assume the name of Rumpole because he had only one eye?

 

[sydboy007]

And you too one-eyed to accept that there is corruption in your beloved Greens Party. By "educate" I assume you mean "indocrinate." Fat chance.

By the way, didn't you assume the name of Rumpole because he had only one eye?

I always had vision of Rumpole of the bailey, but maybe that's just because I always liked the under dog winning in the courts.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

NSW has always been a problem for both ALP and Liberals re corruption.

As a long term investor I see no problems with these latest disclosures. Merely a blip in the trend.

Sydney is a very corrupt city, whether ALP or Lib.

Always has been, and probably always will.

It is a matter of degree.

So, high horse value judgements are fine, but useless in relation to NSW.

Eddie Obeid, and MacDonald will get a tiny slap on the wrist and the judgements will be binned, and it will go on. Nothing to do with fairness.

NSW and Sydney in particular is very corrupt, I briefly sat watching it from the inside.

gg

 

[banco]

NSW has always been a problem for both ALP and Liberals re corruption.

As a long term investor I see no problems with these latest disclosures. Merely a blip in the trend.

Sydney is a very corrupt city, whether ALP or Lib.

Always has been, and probably always will.

It is a matter of degree.

So, high horse value judgements are fine, but useless in relation to NSW.

Eddie Obeid, and MacDonald will get a tiny slap on the wrist and the judgements will be binned, and it will go on. Nothing to do with fairness.

NSW and Sydney in particular is very corrupt, I briefly sat watching it from the inside.

gg

I take some solace from the fact that the various proceedings against MacDonald will likely bankrupt him.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I take some solace from the fact that the various proceedings against MacDonald will likely bankrupt him.

You have to realise the money is what matters in NSW and Sydney.

Being bankrupt matters little.

Quality of life, mansion with a view, and access to up-market restaurants is more important than bankruptcy.

Some will go bankrupt, others won't.

They will all live high on their corruption.

gg