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SirRumpole said:
This is all baloney. O'Farrell couldn't answer the question asked, and he fell on his own sword.

Funny we didn't hear these sort of criticisms when Obeid and MacDonald got a going over.
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Its been interesting, BOF on the surface appears pretty straight but the claim he didn't recall getting the bottle of plonk just doesn't cut it there is no way he would have forgotten he just got caught out trying to distance himself from the grubby side.
By rights he should go for contempt but being a Liberal thats never going to happen.

Which leads to the next point of what else was changing hands and who has Mike Baird been sleeping with clearly keeping closer company with the dark side.

Seems to just be the norm with NSW's politics it never stopped with the rum corps. :)
 
SirRumpole said:
Seems di Geronimo donated to Campbell Newman too. Newman says he didn't know about it. Do we believe him ?

:D
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No we cannot, same deal Newman can claim he didn't know and get away with it would love to see how he would go in front of a commission on the matter.
 
This link might a bit off the topic, but I thought it might match the bottle of wine BOF resigned over.

Tony Burke and Stephen Conroy had a couple of free weekends at Eddie Obieds ski lodge....Now why would Obied offer those to lefties something that was free but normally priced at over $2500. These weekends occurred in 2004 and 2006 and now suddenly they decide to declare it.

What favors did Obied ask of Burke and Conroy......Lets hope it all comes out.



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ll_quits_over_gift_labor_frontbenchers_dont1/
 
IFocus said:
Its been interesting, BOF on the surface appears pretty straight but the claim he didn't recall getting the bottle of plonk just doesn't cut it there is no way he would have forgotten he just got caught out trying to distance himself from the grubby side.
By rights he should go for contempt but being a Liberal thats never going to happen.

Which leads to the next point of what else was changing hands and who has Mike Baird been sleeping with clearly keeping closer company with the dark side.

Seems to just be the norm with NSW's politics it never stopped with the rum corps. :)
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I still think his wife would give very interesting testimony to ICAC if called.
 
Nice to see the faceless men of the NSW Liberal party managed the new leaders election to run so neatly with smiles all round................deals Secret hand shakes etc.

Move along please nothing to see here............
 
SirRumpole said:
Indeed so. Maybe he just regarded it as a gift from one friend to another, but that doesn't square with what he said about not knowing Geronimo(!) very well.

Something smells fishy that maybe BOF wants to keep from getting out, so he got out himself.
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Rumpole, in responding to my post 37 you have eliminated part of it and inserted this which I did not say:

In that case he should have said "I don't recall receiving the gift" . He may still have looked bad, but he could have ridden it out and he would not have told a falsehood to ICAC.
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I made no such comment.

If you're going to quote any post of mine, it would be appreciated if you could do so accurately.
 
Julia said:
Rumpole, in responding to my post 37 you have eliminated part of it and inserted this which I did not say:

I made no such comment.

If you're going to quote any post of mine, it would be appreciated if you could do so accurately.
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I read it as a reply to your comments and that Rumpole got the quote markers in the wrong place.
 
Julia said:
Rumpole, in responding to my post 37 you have eliminated part of it and inserted this which I did not say:

I made no such comment.

If you're going to quote any post of mine, it would be appreciated if you could do so accurately.
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You are quite correct, it was due to an omitted quote tag, for which I apologise for my sloppiness.

You said

I don't think I'd remember whether I'd written a thank you note to everyone several years ago.
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and I replied

In that case he should have said "I don't recall receiving the gift" . He may still have looked bad, but he could have ridden it out and he would not have told a falsehood to ICAC.
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It has always made me think about an ambiguous reply at the airport when you are asked if you packed your own bag.
Your own words may damn you ,whether you are culpable or not.
 
SirRumpole said:
The Robertson thing came out some time ago and ICAC has taken no action, but yes he should have reported it.
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But if you want to see an honest man , look at Robertson. The guy who offered him the bribe is dead, all Roberston had to do was keep his mouth shut and no-one would know. Barry got caught by the evidence and had to own up, I'd say Robertson is one up on him.
 
SirRumpole said:
But if you want to see an honest man , look at Robertson. The guy who offered him the bribe is dead, all Roberston had to do was keep his mouth shut and no-one would know. Barry got caught by the evidence and had to own up, I'd say Robertson is one up on him.
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You don't think Robertson knew or thought that someone else knew and wanted to get out in front of it?

I don't think it's going too far to say that if you are a paid up member of the NSW Labor Right you are a scumbag without integrity because only such a person could remain a member. NSW would have been far better off if the right of the NSW Labor party had been put up against a wall and shot years ago.
 
banco said:
You don't think Robertson knew or thought that someone else knew and wanted to get out in front of it?

I don't think it's going too far to say that if you are a paid up member of the NSW Labor Right you are a scumbag without integrity because only such a person could remain a member. NSW would have been far better off if the right of the NSW Labor party had been put up against a wall and shot years ago.
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I think we just have to accept the fact that corruption is a bipartisan matter.

The Askin , Burke and Bjelke Peterson years were some of the most corrupt in history, and it will take Independent bodies like ICAC to expose anything happening today.

The relationships between property developers and governments of all shades and at all levels needs to be thoroughly probed as well as the Obeid type of blatant rorting and the more subtle 'favours for mates' type of corruption.

I want to see a party (maybe the Greens) campaign strongly on public funding of political parties, which may go some way to ending political patronage and influence peddling on all sides of politics.
 
SirRumpole said:
I want to see a party (maybe the Greens) campaign strongly on public funding of political parties, which may go some way to ending political patronage and influence peddling on all sides of politics.
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Bring in a rule that you can receive either your publicly funded pension OR continue to work, but you can't have both. Not saying their pension is gone, just that the argument years ago for politicians to be able to get their pension early was that after many years of public "service" they should be supported as they may have trouble getting a new job. If they're happy to continue working then they don't need that tax payer support.

Bring in some form of public record for when someone how previously held an elected position meets with a currently elected person. Should shine the spot light on how much access these people are being given.

Bring in an independent body that is charged with determining job hiring for public companies and overseas positions. I'm too sick of each party putting in an old colleague to lord it in London or New York at taxpayer expense. Bring in some public scrutiny to the process and have an open process to show that whoever is picked has been properly screened and was the best candidate to apply for the position. I'm also sick of jobs for mates as directors in public companies.

bring in a rule to stop members of a union or political party who serve at a high level - say anything higher than the equivalent of a branch leader - and especially anyone involved with fundraising or setting party policy should be banned from being appointed to any government funded position ie public company boards, audits / commissions.

Bring in a rule where a person who has strong views on a issue that is generally publicly known should not be appointed to a role where they receive a publicly funded position to determine policy in that area. How can the public have faith in the findings if it's well know the person leading the review already appears to have made their mind up?

I'm sure there's other ways to try and stem the flow of political patronage. At least shining a light on it and giving the public something to be angry over may make politicians at least rethink some of their actions, but from the feeble excuses we continually get over expense rorts voting them out may be the way way to really get their attention.

The stench of corruption is everywhere within politics these days. It's in the revolving door nature from politics to plum lobbying positions or board directorships. It's in the way each party hires from the corporate world those that align with their views so they can stack reviews to present the outcome they want. In a pluralistic society we should welcome the airing of opposing views as this helps keep tensions from becoming too extreme, and it also helps to avoid the mistakes of being too myopic on an issue.

Maybe we need to look towards the Swiss and their style of Governing where they have quarterly referendums. It's a lot harder to use corruption to your advantage when there's regular votes by the people on important public policy. Imagine if we'd been able to have a referendum on Work Choices, carbon Tax, Refugees policy, sending troops to Iraq II, PPL. WE might be able to stop some of the more extreme political blunders of our "leaders"
 
All good ideas Syd, but it isn't going to happen while the two major parties hold sway.

Do I interpret your last post as an endorsement of the Greens ? (It's fine if it is, I just want to know)
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