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Yep, sure sign the polar ice cap is breaking up faster and absorbing too much of the warmth.
Explod is correct.ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Pull up a current sat image of the polar regions. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh t's only slightly less than 20 years ago. Compare any period you want
to 2007.
Explod is correct.
Areal extent is a small part of the equation.
Go to climate scientists specialising in polar regions for more detailed answers.
Arctic sea ice is thinner and "newer" than it has been, and the "freezing" periods are getting shorter.
The satellite image analogy is comparable to one of dining at a fine restaurant with 5 chefs 20 years ago, and today dining at McDonalds with as many short-order cooks, and not being able to tell the difference!
You could try reading about Arctic sea ice from the most credible source: http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/Rob,
All I can find is the most ridiculous propaganda and/or the most preposterously tenuous science linking the breakup of the ice cap (which is actually recovering at this point) with cold weather.
There is however a preponderance of credible science linking the recent cold with lower solar activity.
Occam's razor would seem to apply here... with some conclusions to be drawn about the whole field of CC "science"/propaganda.
We are now into the 2009 season and sea ice coverage is clearly doing well. From a climate change perspective we will see if the tide is indeed turning in another 6 months - when the season is over and we can review the full data and not just areal extent.Would 2008 break the 2007 record low summer minimum extent? Would the geographic North Pole be ice free for the first time in the satellite era? From May through July, cooler temperatures and winds less favorable to ice loss slowed the decline in ice extent. Nevertheless, by August the rate of ice loss was much faster than average””even faster than in 2007””as the effects of a warm Arctic Ocean worked against the thin ice cover. The melt season became a race: waning sunlight versus rapid ice loss.
Ultimately, summer 2008 finished with the second-lowest minimum extent in the satellite record, 9% above the 2007 minimum and 34% below average. A more diffuse ice cover and a thinner pack nevertheless suggested a record-low ice volume (ice area multiplied by thickness) at the end of summer.
You could try reading about Arctic sea ice from the most credible source: http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Here's a snippet:
We are now into the 2009 season and sea ice coverage is clearly doing well. From a climate change perspective we will see if the tide is indeed turning in another 6 months - when the season is over and we can review the full data and not just areal extent.
I love the way you choose conclusions.Clearly then, explod's and your contention that break up of the Arctic ice cap being responsible for the recent very cold weather in the last couple of northern winters, is utter tosh.
I love the way you choose conclusions.
Arctic sea ice extents are likely to peak in the next month or two.
A principal of global warming is that warmer oceans give rise to greater precipitation.
In northern climates, in winter, it is therefore most likely that snow events become more severe.
We can corroborate this with proven increases in glacial masses in northern Europe.
There are no surprises for climate scientists with what is now happening.
You and ducati should get together.That's nonsense Rob.
Hotter than normal - Global warming.
Colder than normal - Global warming.
Wetter than normal - Global warming.
Drier than normal - Global warming.
More stormy than normal - Global warming.
Calmer than normal - Global warming.
Mmore hurricanes and tornadoes - Global warming.
Less hurricanes and tornadoes - Global warming.
It's just normal - Oh that's global warming too.
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Yeah thats why its climate change. Not global warming...global warming being the term preferred by big oil and coal because it sounds so nice. Ahhhhhh warming what could be wrong with that!
It still amazes me how many sceptics are out there. People with their head up their arrse with no idea what they are talking about. To think you know more than the 1000s of scientists all over the world who have studied this and tracked the unfolding disaster for decades.
My guess is most of you are conservatives, with the idea of living frugally and ending global growth completley against your fundamentals... so you will dispute the clear reality of climate change as if it is an ideology.
Do scientists believe the planet will react predictably to the massive stimulus of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere and heat up at a steady rate where temperature records are set every year or two? Of course not! The planet could very well be in a holding pattern right now as evaporation has increased and deep ocean currents are still running cold.... it wont and cant last.
Think of it like our western economy. It was broken years ago... too much lending, too much debt, too much greed, but it continued to climb. It was like the living dead, certain to fail but still continuing along as if all was well. The global climate is in exactly the same position right now!
Yeah thats why its climate change. Not global warming...global warming being the term preferred by big oil and coal because it sounds so nice. Ahhhhhh warming what could be wrong with that!
It still amazes me how many sceptics are out there. People with their head up their arrse with no idea what they are talking about. To think you know more than the 1000s of scientists all over the world who have studied this and tracked the unfolding disaster for decades.
My guess is most of you are conservatives, with the idea of living frugally and ending global growth completley against your fundamentals... so you will dispute the clear reality of climate change as if it is an ideology.
Do scientists believe the planet will react predictably to the massive stimulus of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere and heat up at a steady rate where temperature records are set every year or two? Of course not! The planet could very well be in a holding pattern right now as evaporation has increased and deep ocean currents are still running cold.... it wont and cant last.
Think of it like our western economy. It was broken years ago... too much lending, too much debt, too much greed, but it continued to climb. It was like the living dead, certain to fail but still continuing along as if all was well. The global climate is in exactly the same position right now!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Pull up a current sat image of the polar regions. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh t's only slightly less than 20 years ago. Compare any period you want
The northern polar ice cap summer minimum was on a declining trend from 1979 until 2007, that's indisputable by anybody. If there was going to be a cold effect, it would have been in the middle of this decade in the summer season.
But the last two seasons have seen a significant INCREASE in polar ice, compared to 2007.
The cold weather CANNOT be caused by melting ice when it is in fact freezing. Look to the Sun!!!!!!
As a matter of fact, look to real science not some zealot nutters talking out of their @ss.
Think what your saying explod, that's just ridiculous. There are no credible scientists talking about anything except solar activity.
Satellite images do not show the underlying, only the recent surface snow, as you say "WHAT CAN BE SEEN". And selective shots at stratiegic times can distort the appearence even further.
And the only credible scientists are the ones that agree with your hypothesis. Have a read of "The fifth extinction" the physical evidence from actual ice samples going back millions of years has been well documented and substantiated the effects of the current ice sheet melting since mid 20th century.
Scientists solve enigma of Antarctic 'cooling'
Research 'kills off' climate sceptic argument by showing average temperature across the continent has risen over the last 50 years
* Damian Carrington
* guardian.co.uk, Friday 23 January 2009 18.00 GMT
Scientists have solved the enigma of the Antarctic apparently getting cooler, while the rest of the world heats up.
New research shows that while some parts of the frozen continent have been getting slightly colder over the last few decades, the average temperature across the continent has been rising for at least the last 50 years.
In the remote and inaccessible West Antarctic region the new research, based on ground measurements and satellite data, show that the region has warmed rapidly, by 0.17C each decade since 1957. "We had no idea what was happening there," said Professor Eric Steig, at the University of Washington, Seattle, and who led the research published in Nature.
This outweighs the cooling seen in East Antarctica, so that, overall, the continent has warmed by 0.12C each decade over the same period. This matches the warming of the southern hemisphere as a whole and removes the apparent contradiction.
The issue, which had been highlighted by global warming sceptics, was an annoyance, said Steig, despite the science having been reasonably well understood. "But it has now been killed off," he said.
Gareth Marshall, climatologist at British Antarctic Survey, commented: "This work allows us to look at the continent as a whole, which we have not been able to do before with confidence. It fills a big hole in the data in West Antarctica – it is the final piece in the jigsaw."
The rapid warming now revealed in the west concerns some scientists. The new analysis suggests the West Antarctic ice sheet, like that in Greenland, is precariously balanced, said Professor Barry Brook at the University of Adelaide. "Even losing a fraction of both would cause a few metres of sea level rise this century, with disastrous consequences," he said.
And more...Just a brief foray to enter some factual information into this discussion.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/21/global-warming-antarctica
From the article:And more...
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24946650-401,00.html
The blah blah blah in this thread reinforces the FACT that we just don't know.
Aussie house prices under threat
Of course we do.And more...
The blah blah blah in this thread reinforces the FACT that we just don't know.
Antarctica is Cold? Yeah, We Knew That
Despite the recent announcement that the discharge from some Antarctic glaciers is accelerating, we often hear people remarking that parts of Antarctica are getting colder, and indeed the ice pack in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica has actually been getting bigger. Doesn’t this contradict the calculations that greenhouse gases are warming the globe? Not at all, because a cold Antarctica is just what calculations predict… and have predicted for the past quarter century.
I expect this will be shot down in flames once it is analyzed. I already see some gaping holes in logic.
Hockey Team Plays in Antarctica
Some names to conjure with there, including Rutherford and Mann who are part of the ‘Hockey Team’ involved in the infamous ‘Hockey Stick’ graph saga. So who better to call on when much of Antarctica isn’t playing ball with global warming. But wait! There is more fun to be had here - Real Climate, which includes Michael Mann, have previously said, “A cold Antarctica and Southern Ocean do not contradict our models of global warming.” You just can’t lose when playing the ‘consistent with climate models’ game can you!? Presumably, the findings of this new paper don’t contradict climate models either.
Wafer thin? I assume this is your professional opinion?Bloggers are already poking holes through the wafer thin credibility of this
http://australianclimatemadness.blogspot.com/2009/01/another-antarctic-scare-story.html
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