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Climate change another name for Weather

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There are no surprises here.
Solar irradiance has a known impact on temperature.
We are presently at the weakest point of the solar (11 year) cycle, viz:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080512120523.htm

I the climate models and hemispheric variations run true, the northern hemisphere's weather is likely to run to greater extremes.

The reason there has been a name shift from AGW to CC is largely due to the fact that anomalies can give an appearance that "warming" has disappeared. The warming trend is global and decadal.
One cold winter does not mean there will also be a cool summer. In the northern hemisphere the temperature ranges should increase.
 
For interest:

While you guys are down there sweltering in the Aussie summer, spare a thought for us expats shivering our @sses off up here in England.

At the moment it is -11 degrees according to the weather station about 1.5 miles up the road, which is extraordinarily cold for around here.
 

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Bah, humbug!

It's *only* 39C today in Albury-Wodonga. Thongs 'n stubbies weather, mate.

Chiz,


aj
 

No wonder the English and Irish left to populate the world.
I was an expat. once and was amazed how many pommies work in places like Indonesia and Hong Kong. Now i understand why!
 
Knobby22 said:
No wonder the English and Irish left to populate the world.
I was an expat. once and was amazed how many pommies work in places like Indonesia and Hong Kong. Now i understand why!
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Well there are warm weather people and there are cold weather people. I hate the heat.

> 18 ° and I'm whingeing like billyo. LOL

-11 ° is a tad chilly though.
 

Maybe all the boffins have it wrong and it is actually the dawning of a new Ice Age? Wooly mammoths anyone?
 
wayneL said:
explod

You may have noticed that we're all trying to be a bit nicer to each other, I t would help if you did the same.

Cheers
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In a serious matter, being nice may be too high a price to pay if it dilutes the facts.

And if all else fails I have noticed that those opposing action to curb global warming are fast to change the subject or get some posts up to dilute the scrutiny of material with substance.
 

So being a rude tosspot is going to solve the alleged problem?

Mate, you're behind the curve and been consistently and laughingly off pat with the science. Leave the rebuttals to Red, at least it is done with intelligence.

Or maybe you can tell us how you are reducing your impact on this planet?

Unbelievable.
 

You get a lot further if you are diplomatic.
 
This has probably been covered and nuked by the skeptics but thought the following letter published in the Weekend Australian 3-4thjan is worth noting by the faithful.



Quote:
High school physics gives a simple explanation to the question why it is getting colder if the planet is overheating...(quote of previous letter) ...the polar icecap is melting. When ice melts, it absorbs an enourmous amount of heat from the environment (the latent heat of fusion ice) and the atmosphere in the polar regions becomes cold. The wind from the polar regions carries this "coldness" to the rest of the world. Once all the ice is melted, warming will set in and we will really feel the heat. By that time, it will be too late to save the world. We must act now. Bill of Parkville, Vic



No one has countered this post that I put up a few days ago.



What is unbelievable?

The science, you yourself have said many times that it is hokus pokus.

Grow most of my own vegitables, using water from the roof, which also saves on plastic rapping, transport to market, unclogging the roads etc., and etc. And working on a few ideas. Stirring you up prolly creating a bit more attention to the subject must help.

And who says this thread is only for the GW scientifically savvy
 
Yes they have. You must try reading the posts.

The problem with that hypothesis (if it had any validity in the first place) is that the arctic ice has been increasing since it's low point of two seasons ago. I have shown this, and you can see for yourself by bringing up comparative satellite images.

Anyone following along, will accept that it is more to do with dropping solar output, whether an AGWer or not.

See the links I posted further up.


That's good to hear. Your concern is commendable and is probably better directed at those things which your actions actually benifit

And who says this thread is only for the GW scientifically savvy
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The thing is, if your going to comment on the science, you must be reasonably au fait with it, otherwise you will be fooled by junk science (which there is on both sides of the debate).

Frankly, the melting ice hypothesis causing this cold spell is real junk.
 
Moving away from non-renewable fossil fuels as much as possible makes sense as it is finite resource.

Melting Polar Regions and freezing up whole planet is nothing new, problem is never before planet had to support so many humans, and hence moving toward any extreme will prove catastrophic.
 
What statitics are used, and where are they gathered from, to form the medium?

30 years ago? That is hardly reliable considering the life of the planet. Satellite records go back to 1979 according to the video link you provided previously. Do we know the sea ice coverage back over one hundred years or for that matter over a thousand years?
 
As the Arctic Ocean is almost 100% covered with sea ice during coldest periods, the areal extents are determined at the margins, ie into the North Atlantic and Pacific Oceans until melt periods again take over. Mapping reductions below 100% coverage, when they occur, provides an exceptionally reliable data record.
What about records 100 years ago, or one thousand years ago?
What would they prove if they were available?
We are talking about contemporary matters of climate change that are occurring at an unprecedented rate.
 
I believe I've read in recent posts that icecaps (Arctic) are ok - I seem to recall a photo which showed less ice in Gulf of Finland this year, which is consistent to a previous post I'm made (twice I believe) that, due to a 300 year return period event, - absense of sea ice etc - the seal pups born to that date will almost certainly not survive.

Also that the polar bears and (presumably the other arctic animals) are not in any distress.

Here's what Tim Flannery would say on a number of arctic species ...

general
spruce beetle etc
migrating birds
lemmings
caribou / reindeer
seals
polar bears / nanuk
 
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