Climate change another name for Weather

[wayneL]

It has been a very humid day in Townsville, its been bucketing down rain for the past few hours and getting humid again now its stopped.

I can hear thunder in the distance.

I've never seen so many geckos in my life.

They like this weather!!

gg

It's overcast and bracingly cold here in Blighty... normal.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It's overcast and bracingly cold here in Blighty... normal.

The local pub closed because the rain came in through the roof and buggered up the keno and the pokies.

All that sit down money gone to waste.

I remember a Christmas in Bedfordshire, close to where you are I think, comely warm lasses, cider and a warm fire.

gg

 

[wayneL]

I remember a Christmas in Bedfordshire, close to where you are I think, comely warm lasses, cider and a warm fire.

gg

There is nothing in the world like the good old fashioned English pub. I pray that Gordo's gaggle of goons and Stalinists doesn't mess that up too, before we kick his disgraceful @ss out of number 10 at the next election.

 

[2020hindsight]

My view could be considered rather simplistic but at the same time I would be very interested to hear what the likes of 2020 & Rederob believe can be done to avert this alleged looming problem without impacting to any great extent on the global economy.

so does anyone believe that that famous left wing politician Arnie Schwarzenegger has made a major blunder in backing the new "low emissions" philosophy?

Or perhaps California will take more of our inventions - maybe twenty or thirty more - before the penny drops

http://news.smh.com.au/world/schwarzenegger-opens-aussie-solar-plant-20081024-57o0.html

Schwarzenegger opens Aussie solar plant
October 24, 2008 - 8:26AM

Australian solar company Ausra and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger have joined forces Thursday to make history.

The former Hollywood action star flicked the "on" switch at Ausra's new Kimberlina solar energy facility located in the desert about 160km north of Los Angeles.

The plant will generate enough electricity to power 3,500 homes in central California.

Kimberlina is the first solar-thermal power project to open in California in nearly 20 years and continues Schwarzenegger's pursuit of renewable power alternatives for his state.

"This next generation solar power plant is further evidence that reliable, renewable and pollution-free technology is here to stay, and it will lead to more California homes and businesses powered by sunshine," Schwarzenegger said.

Ausra was founded by Australian researcher Dr David Mills who developed the solar technology at a University of Sydney lab.

The company, now headquartered in Palo Alto near San Francisco, plans a larger solar-thermal plant at California's Carrizo Plain to power 120,000 homes

 

[2020hindsight]

and the representatives of Exxon etc who proclaim "all's well folks" - "don't bother to invent new technologies - you're happy with petrol guzzlers right ?" - are all honourable men ..

Back to your disgusting misrepresentation of my views again. You are a lying **** over this. Time to stop that and grow up.

wayne
if you cheer with the Exxon team , you run the risk of being labelled with them .

"tell me a man's company , and I'll tell you his name"

 

[2020hindsight]

The local pub closed because the rain came in through the roof and buggered up the keno and the pokies

shame you don't scuba dive gg
You might appreciate the imminent threat to the Grt Barrier Reef.
And the odd tourist dollar to your part of the world

but wtf, the pubs will still stick around for a while - the locals will keep them going - who needs those flaming tourists anyways , hick.

 

[wayneL]

wayne
if you cheer with the Exxon team , you run the risk of being labelled with them .

"tell me a man's company , and I'll tell you his name"

A pathetic and lowly straw man argument exposing your intellectual diminutiveness.

1/ The above implies that all research disproving AGW is financed by Exxon. Not so, not even close. A plain stupid implication.

2/ It also implies that all research that is financed by Exxon is automatically biased and corrupt. But it is proven beyond a shadow of doubt that much of the IPCC's research is biased, corrupt and politically motivated. A Hypocritical implication.

3/ It implies that I support Exxon and unrestricted use of fossil fuels. Bearing in mind my frequent postings on my full environmental position this is a most disgraceful, childish and slanderous statement, exposing an utterly and habitually mendacious character not worthy of spitting on.

In demonstrably failing to tag me with with the perjurous "fossil fuel lobby" label, you have successfully labeled your own self as an idiot.

I take no joy in pointing out the bleeding obvious, so please, grow a brain and join the ranks of adulthood or something.

 

[wayneL]

shame you don't scuba dive gg
You might appreciate the imminent threat to the Grt Barrier Reef.
And the odd tourist dollar to your part of the world

but wtf, the pubs will still stick around for a while - the locals will keep them going - who needs those flaming tourists anyways , hick.

The GBR is emblematic of the AGW swindle and a great case in point for my more common sense approach. You need to do a lot more research on the GBR before drawing erroneous conclusions.

The health of the reef is far more threatened by nutrient, sediment and pesticide pollution. All things that can be addressed NOW. The heat stress bleaching episodes observed in the last couple of decades coincide with El Niño warming and have nothing whatever to with AGW.

In fact coral reefs are more tolerant to temperature variations that the AGW fantasists would like us to believe http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22065659-5006786,00.html

The reef has survived much wilder temp variations than any pissy El Niño can chuck at it and has survived much warmer... and colder episodes in the past.

AGW losers strike out again.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Climate change is just another made up word.

How people treat the planet and its resources is what matters.



I pack 30 SPF+ so dont any of you ***** try and tell me otherwise

 

[explod]

The reef has survived much wilder temp variations than any pissy El Niño can chuck at it and has survived much warmer... and colder episodes in the past.

Waynel, could you detail these other times and cite your sources?

I dived the reef in the 1960s, when the coral had full colour, today the same places are a dead grey colour and you can literally see it breaking up, certainly no regeneration.

I also understand that it took millions of years of evolution to get to that stage but looks like breaking up in couple of generations.

 

[wayneL]

I dived the reef in the 1960s, when the coral had full colour, today the same places are a dead grey colour and you can literally see it breaking up, certainly no regeneration.

I also understand that it took millions of years of evolution to get to that stage but looks like breaking up in couple of generations.

More regular visitors disagree with you and AGWers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story /0,25197,24811996-11949,00.html also try clicking on my previous link

Friends of the Reef not worried about global warming


Padraic Murphy and Andrew Fraser | December 17, 2008
Article from: The Australian

Shark expert Ben Cropp said yesterday the outer reef was more or less the same as when he started diving 50 years ago, although more accessible corals had been damaged. Patrick Ligthart, a volunteer with the Low Isles Preservation Society, said his section of the reef had never looked better, and he was sceptical about predictions of its demise.

The reef is 18000 years old and has survived ice ages and warm periods. Those bits that are damaged are damaged from tourism and agricultural runoff. DYOR I'm not doing all the work for you to have it ignored.

 

[rederob]

Please read this article http://newsbusters.org/node/13698

Seeing you added no commentary:
The article is a typical beat up from the loony skeptic camp. If it weren't for Morner's professional background, which he is on the record as having misrepresented, the skeptic camp would disown him.
Even the skeptics don't claim that sea levels haven't risen - only that they suggest not as much as the IPCC.
Try and find something that's actually worth reading next time, or make your points with some semblance of credibility.

 

[wayneL]

Seeing you added no commentary:
The article is a typical beat up from the loony skeptic camp. If it weren't for Morner's professional background, which he is on the record as having misrepresented, the skeptic camp would disown him.
Even the skeptics don't claim that sea levels haven't risen - only that they suggest not as much as the IPCC.
Try and find something that's actually worth reading next time, or make your points with some semblance of credibility.

Rob,

An amazing comment for someone with absolutely zero credibility.

As usual you have absolutely nothing to add except to try and debase proper debate. Next time, try practicing what you preach.

 

[explod]

More regular visitors disagree with you and AGWers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story /0,25197,24811996-11949,00.html also try clicking on my previous link

Very much a Howard Government research team beat up. How can you rpove they are more regular visitors. With all this bodgey scientific stuff (your take) then is not own experience most reliable ???



The reef is 18000 years old and has survived ice ages and warm periods. Those bits that are damaged are damaged from tourism and agricultural runoff. DYOR I'm not doing all the work for you to have it ignored.

And are they not part of the matters creating climate change. Tourism, aircraft one of the greatest air polluters. Chemicals a phosphate poisoning the system, yes, not climate change.

 

[wayneL]

And are they not part of the matters creating climate change. Tourism, aircraft one of the greatest air polluters. Chemicals a phosphate poisoning the system, yes, not climate change.

You are dead right about pollution.

But no, pollution and world wide anthropogenic climate change are not related.

 

[rederob]

Rob,

An amazing comment for someone with absolutely zero credibility.

As usual you have absolutely nothing to add except to try and debase proper debate. Next time, try practicing what you preach.

lol
That's got to be the funniest thing I have seen you write.
You trot out an ancient piece from a discredited professional, and I lack credibility.
At the same conference that Morner presented on the Maldives, he also presented on "Holocene Sea Level Changes, Coastal Evolution
and Future Prospects". His theme went along the lines (from his abstract), "Both the glacial loading models and the ICPP scenarios are
strongly contradicted by observational data for the last 100-150 years that cannot have exceeded a mean rate of 1.0-1.1 mm/year. In the last 300 years, sea level has been oscillation close to the present with peak rates in the period 1890-1930. Sea level fell between 1930 and 1950. The late
20th century lacks any sign of acceleration."
He was so far out of whack with his peers at INQUA that his role was "restructured". On the issue of sea levels, Morner's contribution to science now hold as much credibility as a bilge pump on the Titanic.

 

[wayneL]

Rob,

You have zero credibility because you are beholden to a politico/religious position masquerading as science and presenting it as the inalterable gospel.

This is analogous to young earth creationists masquerading intelligent design as science.

Laughable and disturbing, in equal measure.

 

[Calliope]

On the last day of the year I think it is interesting to review the outcomes of this thread since GG kicked it off back in September. It took about two months before 2020 and rederob realised things were getting out of hand, so they had to jump in to try to stem the tide of common sense.

Since then, they and their disciples have produced a constant and voluminous torrent of hot air mainly in support of the IPCC and it's dodgy scientists.

The main debate has been between 2020 and Wayne. 2020 has been punching above his weight and has been clearly outpointed.

This does not worry 2020 too much. He joins threads, not to contribute anything useful, but to muddy the waters and create mischief. So in his way he has succeeded.

As for the other alarmists, if you take away their leftist bias, they have nothing useful to contribute.

Thanks GG for starting this provocative thread. It has flushed out the climate extremists, and Wayne has expertly taken them apart.

 

[roland]

Sydney's New Years fireworks are touted as being in the order of 5,000Kgs - and I was worried about the backyard barby:

Celebrations and parades worldwide are capped off with fireworks, a bursting display of reds, blues, yellows and purples littered amorously across the night sky. With each blast, chemicals are released into the air that are damaging to our health and environment.

These chemicals include barium, an extremely poisonous acid that can affect the nervous system, antimony, a toxic compound that can cause dizziness and lead, which can make its way into drinking water and cause potential irregularities in nervous connections.

The colours that each firework so brilliantly exhibits are added using these highly noxious metal salts. All of these chemicals linger in the air long after the show has faded and have been listed as potential causes for cancer, according to the environment.about.com article, "Declare Your Independence From Toxic Fireworks Pollution."

 

[Happy]

Sydney's New Years fireworks are touted as being in the order of 5,000Kgs - and I was worried about the backyard barby:

Waste of money, could be better used to help some folks:

homeless
about to become homeless
hospitals
roads
education

to name the few, or anything else as everything or almost everything does not have enough funds.