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Actually AP are pretty harsh on copyright with their articles by bloggers. Using their photos I don't know about.
Are you saying it is not a real effect but a manufactured effect?
Actually AP are pretty harsh on copyright with their articles by bloggers. Using their photos I don't know about.Highly unlikely as in the bottom right hand corner of the picture (of light refraction into colour spectrum) is the © AP which is Associated Press.
Are you saying it is not a real effect but a manufactured effect?
Only when there are no spaces after full stops, or periods as the US calls them.Nay s.p.
Q... Do you see your thoughts as abstract dominative?
Agreed.
But my consistent argument is that the AGWH religion draws attention from other "real" and urgent matters.
If you love your grandchildren, focus on the other myriad of environmental catastrophes and stop shadow boxing against the nonsense of co2 induced GW. If approached in this way, co2, if a factor in CC, will reduce as well.
Fretting about co2 emissions exclusively will do absolutely nothing for your , or anyone else's grandchildren.
And that's a fact Jack.
Compared to prehistoric times, the level of oxygen in the earth's atmosphere has declined by over a third and in polluted cities the decline may be more than 50%.
We have pussy footed around with recycled rubbish and a bit of tree planting for a long time now for little effect. Is it not time to hit the big culprits like oil and coal between the eyes so that we start to make a real difference. Then we can work our way down to all the other thinkg.
Lets knock off the biggest criminal first.
We have pussy footed around with recycled rubbish and a bit of tree planting for a long time now for little effect. Is it not time to hit the big culprits like oil and coal between the eyes so that we start to make a real difference. Then we can work our way down to all the other thinkg.
Lets knock off the biggest criminal first.
Evidence from prehistoric times indicates that the oxygen content of pristine nature was above the 21% of total volume that it is today. It has decreased in recent times due mainly to the burning of coal in the middle of the last century. Currently the oxygen content of the Earth's atmosphere dips to 19% over impacted areas, and it is down to 12 to 17% over the major cities. At these levels it is difficult for people to get sufficient oxygen to maintain bodily health: it takes a proper intake of oxygen to keep body cells and organs, and the entire immune system, functioning at full efficiency. At the levels we have reached today cancers and other degenerative diseases are likely to develop. And at 6 to 7% life can no longer be sustained.
And the biggest criminal is... Constant Growth!We have pussy footed around with recycled rubbish and a bit of tree planting for a long time now for little effect. Is it not time to hit the big culprits like oil and coal between the eyes so that we start to make a real difference. Then we can work our way down to all the other thinkg.
Lets knock off the biggest criminal first.
If you love your grandchildren, focus on the other myriad of environmental catastrophes and stop shadow boxing against the nonsense of co2 induced GW. If approached in this way, co2, if a factor in CC, will reduce as well.
Fretting about co2 emissions exclusively will do absolutely nothing for your , or anyone else's grandchildren.
And that's a fact Jack.
wayneL said:Seems it's the coldest year in yonks.
Where I live, we had snow in both October and November. On Sunday, there was frost on the ground ALL DAY; the ground in some places frozen solid.
Hundreds of Baby Seals Could Starve to Death
03/11/2008
Rising temperatures could spell disaster for seals living in the Baltic Sea in northern Europe. An environment group is warning that hundreds of baby seals are now facing a painful death.
"The situation is dramatic," Cathrin Münster, of the WWF's Baltic office, warned Monday in a statement. "It could turn out that not one of the seal babies born in the last few weeks will survive."
Seal mothers usually create deep burrows in the snow to protect their young. With those burrows now melting too early, the young pups are forced into the icy waters before they have built up protective layers of fat. They are also too young to defend themselves against predators like foxes and eagles
According to the WWF, worst affected are seals on the south-west coast of Finland, in the Gulf of Finland and the Gulf of Riga. The region has experienced a winter with the least ice formation for 300 years, according to the German Maritime and Hydrographic Agency.
In a normal winter, the agency says, the Gulf of Bothnia, which lies between Finland and Sweden, is completely covered by ice between the end of February to mid-March. But this winter ice only formed in the northern parts of the gulf and in patches in the south.
According to the WWF, there are only 7,000 to 10,000 seals in the Baltic Sea today, which is why they have been placed on an international list of endangered species. At the start of the 20th century, the group says, there were about 180,000 seals in the area, but hunting and environmental degradation have drastically cut their numbers.
The destruction of forests in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brazil are a big cause for concern.
By creating a religion and then creating a TAX to tax a nation with when the rest of the world is doing nothing is a little silly.
Clean up the oceans, the soil and prevent loss of forest. These are the immediate threats.
The Earth's atmospheric pressure is not heavy enough for heating to continue unabated. It is time the other scientists were given their right to be published.
See Smurf - you're MORE pessimistic than IPCC recommendations - They say start immediately, reduce CO2 by 1.9% per annum - and you'll limit the temp growth to 2degC by 2100degC.In all seriousness, I'd suggest a target GDP change of -2% per annum with tough measures taken should "growth" threaten to occur even briefly. That's the only way we'll fix the CO2 without simply ending up in some other (likely worse) situation.
Odds of that happening? In practice, zero. We're going to burn all we can get until either we end up cooked or run out of things to burn. That's what humans do with practically everything. Sad maybe, but that's my conclusion having been considering this issue since the 1980's.
I guess we are half way there at the momentsmurf said:no real action would actually be taken unless the banking system completely collapsed first and on a scale that all attempts to revive it were abandoned. Then we need an entire new financial system to which "growth" is an irrelevant concept since it's neither required nor likely to happen
awg1. I think it is interesting to note that aprrox 12,000 yrs ago, the climate changed from Ice Age, and heated up to an estimated average up to 4 degrees hotter than today, ( over several thousand years) according to info quoted in a book i read by Jared Diamond.
2. It has been postulated ... about 8000 yrs ago, leading to widespread great flooding mythology, such as Noahs Ark... etc.
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3. IMO, greenhouse gases, human factors, are certainly impacting on this natural process, just no one can say exactly how much.
4. One thing i think can be said for certain is that sea levels are rising, and will continue to rise,
5. So those super beachfront locations like Wamberal, Collaroy ( and Bangladesh) are going to be worth less than they are now.
6. Fortunately (for me), my place is atop a high cliff
2020 post #184 said:http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11646
In fact, independent evidence, from ice cores and sea sediments for instance, suggest the last time the planet approached this degree of warmth was during the interglacial period preceding the last ice age over 100,000 years ago. It might even be hotter now than it has been for at least a million years
We have pussy footed around with recycled rubbish and a bit of tree planting for a long time now for little effect. Is it not time to hit the big culprits like oil and coal between the eyes so that we start to make a real difference. Then we can work our way down to all the other thinkg.
Lets knock off the biggest criminal first.
But once again, the pure co2 factor in CC is a non-issue.
The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future
New Scientist -- LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Shills
For those who would like to see a simple experiment which demonstrates the warming effect of CO2 check out
http://www.rsc.org/education/teachers/learnnet/JESEI/co2green/home.htm
lol well saidAnd it disappoints me that on an issue that will decide whether we live or die as a species our public discussion can be based on errors of fact and easily rectified misunderstandings.:banghead
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