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There are liars, outliers, and out-and-out liars.
out·li·er ... A value far from most others in a set of data.
Well into our second calender week of 'summer' and they are forecasting the weekend to be 19 degrees.
I think we have only had one day above 35 since about April, whereas usually it would be 30+ most days throughout Spring and definitely by now...
Hmm, methinks Prawn that you should check your stats. Adelaide mean max temps for Sep through Dec are mid 20s. Not sure that 30+ most days fits into that?
A parliamentary committee inquiry into climate change policy will not relitigate the science that blames humans for global warming, according to new terms of reference.
The National government has put the emissions trading scheme (ETS) on hold while it conducts a complete review.
Usually, from my experience, we get a sustained buildup with increasing temps the further into spring then summer we get, however this yr it just hasn't happened. Still forecasting days below 20 degrees ands its virtually the middle of December...
Prawn, my suspicion has been confirmed.NASA has just informed me of the reason why South Australia has become cooler than usual.If you take a high vantage point on the Eyre Peninsula and look seaward you will see for yourself.I`m sorry.Goodbye.
Cyberspace has buried its head in a cesspit of climate change gibberish[/B]
The Stansted protesters get it. The politicians of Poznan don't quite. But online, planted deniers drive a blinkered fiction
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* George Monbiot
We all create our own reality, and shut out the voices we do not want to hear. But there is no issue we are less willing to entertain than man-made climate change. Here, three worlds seem to exist in virtual isolation. In the physical world, global warming appears to be spilling over into runaway feedback: the most dangerous situation humankind has ever encountered. In the political world - at the climate talks in Poznan, for instance - our governments seem to be responding to something quite different, a minor nuisance that can be addressed in due course. Only the Plane Stupid protesters who occupied part of Stansted airport yesterday appear to have understood the scale and speed of this crisis. In cyberspace, by contrast, the response spreading fastest and furthest is flat-out denial.
Too late? Why scientists say we should expect the worst
As ministers and officials gather in Poznan one year ahead of the Copenhagen summit on global warming, the second part of a major series looks at the crucial issue of targets
* David Adam
* The Guardian, Tuesday December 9 2008
At a high-level academic conference on global warming at Exeter University this summer, climate scientist Kevin Anderson stood before his expert audience and contemplated a strange feeling. He wanted to be wrong. Many of those in the room who knew what he was about to say felt the same. His conclusions had already caused a stir in scientific and political circles. Even committed green campaigners said the implications left them terrified.
Anderson, an expert at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at Manchester University, was about to send the gloomiest dispatch yet from the frontline of the war against climate change.
Despite the political rhetoric, the scientific warnings, the media headlines and the corporate promises, he would say, carbon emissions were soaring way out of control - far above even the bleak scenarios considered by last year's report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Stern review. The battle against dangerous climate change had been lost, and the world needed to prepare for things to get very, very bad.
Hi,
Couple of just published articles that forum members might find useful in this discussion.
Firstly the evidence around the world on the accelerating pace of global warming is becoming terrifying. There isn't a more appropriate word.
]Too late? Why scientists say we should expect the worst
As ministers and officials gather in Poznan one year ahead of the Copenhagen summit on global warming, the second part of a major series looks at the crucial issue of targets
* David Adam
* The Guardian, Tuesday December 9 2008
At a high-level academic conference on global warming at Exeter University this summer, climate scientist Kevin Anderson stood before his expert audience and contemplated a strange feeling. He wanted to be wrong. Many of those in the room who knew what he was about to say felt the same. His conclusions had already caused a stir in scientific and political circles. Even committed green campaigners said the implications left them terrified.
Anderson, an expert at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at Manchester University, was about to send the gloomiest dispatch yet from the frontline of the war against climate change.
Despite the political rhetoric, the scientific warnings, the media headlines and the corporate promises, he would say, carbon emissions were soaring way out of control - far above even the bleak scenarios considered by last year's report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Stern review. The battle against dangerous climate change had been lost, and the world needed to prepare for things to get very, very bad.[/QUOTE
Protect climate change refugees, conference hears
Posted 2 hours 13 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 14 minutes ago
There has been a call today for human rights protection for people who are forced to leave their homes because of rising sea levels.
Experts and representatives from affected island nations met in Canberra today for a United Nations-sponsored conference to discuss the forced displacement of people because of climate change.
One of the organisers, Scott Leckie, says the majority of people who will be forced to migrate will be from the larger nations such as China and Bangladesh, rather than small islands.
"Current predictions indicate that 50 million to 1 billion people are going to be forcibly displaced from their homes and lands over the next 40 to 50 maybe 100 years due to climate change," he said.
"Each one of these people are rights holders and they need to be treated as rights holders in the context of what happens when they need to flee their homes and lands because of displacement."
On the 60th anniversary of the Declaration on Human Rights, representatives from nations who face forced climate migration are sharing their stories.
Betarim Rimon from the Republic of Kiribati says rising sea levels are affecting his nation's entire population and he is pessimistic about his island nation's survival.
"Our days are numbered and that's a great concern and fear to all of us," he said.
Mr Leckie says governments need to address the issue from a human rights perspective.
"People are already moving, people are moving from the atolls north of Bougainville and Papua New Guinea to Bougainville right now as we speak," he said.
on the subject of observed global warming , if you look at the great bulk of the world's climate scientists, around 98% of them really accept that basic science, - that is as close to certain - almost - as you can get - in relation to science.
Yet there are uncertainties, essentially about the future - and a future prediction is always going to be uncertain - and that's why, when you look at the IPCC reports, you have scenarios - lower, middle, and upper scenarios - and for mine, I very much hope they are wrong .
I very much hope we don’t HAVE a problem. But I think when you look at the balance of evidence, we DO. So when you look at those scenarios, and where we are travelling in relation to that warming , where it actually gets scary is not with the warming effects, it's with the severe climate effects are going to be of that warming.
And that's when we had briefings - from major scientists and others - at 10 Downing St, THAT's when it gets very frightening. That's when scientists actually become ashen faced. , and say "well, I can't really say what is really gonna happen with THAT amount of carbon in the atmosphere, and THAT amount of warming, and therefore what's gonna happen with respect to severe weather.
THat's when this issue is not actually about science.
It's about security
It's about economic security
It's about our physical security
in relation to the human population movements that may well occur IF the future predictions prove even half right.
"essentially it's not the science, it's actually the policy responses to the magnitude of the risk. "
This is getting hysterical.
I beginning to believe it's actually some form of mass psychosis.
It's certainly noting to do with science.
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