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Yup... agree 100% chops...



And Dukey, i'm afraid your right... I have always thought humans will only ever live in peace with one another if....
1. We all have common beleifs (be it religions,atheist, capitalist, communist, socialist, etc...)... in other words, it ain't going to happen...

OR

2. We have a common enemy thats non human... (martians are probably the best option there..., big, green and ugly... :D:D)


(and of course, once that enemy is defeated, we'll be back to our old ways :D:D:eek:)
 
Do we have anybody who is multi religious?
Who worships Christian, Judaism, and Muslim religion?

Kind of jack of all religions?

We have multi skilled workforce, so why not have multi religious society?
 
:)

Hi folks,

It's interesting, that another religious hread should surface right now,
just as we are coming into the biggest astrological event for 2007.

In fact, NOBODY, alive on earth today, will ever see this event again ... !~!

One of the key indicators for this event on earth will be
a religious event of great significance ..... ie ... Pope dies or suchlike.

..... so, we will be alert for action, along longitudes:

3W Africa ... UK
93W Canada, middle of USA, South America(Chile??)
87E Russia, China(??), India
177E New Zealand

Will try to find time to do some work on the latitude soon ...

... a few key indicators may be:

Huge religious significance ... ie: Pope dies.

Underground or hidden nature.

BIIIIG and FIERY !~! ..... especially 14-19122007 ... :)

happy days

paul

P.S. ..... from now, until our summer solstice, we should see a huge
rise in religious discussion on the various forums and in the
media, as well ..... :)

:)

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Happy said:
Do we have anybody who is multi religious?
Who worships Christian, Judaism, and Muslim religion?

Kind of jack of all religions?

We have multi skilled workforce, so why not have multi religious society?
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I think there are useful philosophies in every religion. Even an Atheist may use these philosophies to improve their life. As a couple of examples, there is the Golden Rule as expressed in the New Testament, and the Way of Water from The Tao Te Ching.

Maybe not those who worship multi religions, but perhaps some who draw from the texts of several religions (and discarding what one considers BS :D)
 
ithatheekret said:
( note I'm a catho ) , the Pope is the Prince on earth , but he and every Cardinal in the line up are either barristers or economists .

PS.. if we are to lay blame at the feet of Christ , the poison pill there is that Judism says he doesn't exist , so we can't prosecute a non-entity .

How's that for a catch 22 ?
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Guess you could sue God -
just like Billy Connolly did ;)
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169184&highlight=connolly#post169184
 
chops_a_must said:
Conversion is certainly not the aim for an atheist, enlightenment is.
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Indeed, it's what we're all attempting, via differing routes, and differing perceptions of what enlightenment is.

Intolerance and arrogance is certainly is a roadblock to this aim, for both the Master and Grasshopper (whomever each perceives them self to be at the time)
 
2020hindsight said:
Guess you could sue God -
just like Billy Connolly did ;)
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169184&highlight=connolly#post169184
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Like either God's omnipotent or he isn't.
And even if an arsonist starts a bushfire - why then , couldn't he just organise a downpour ?

The Man Who Sued God

Directed by Mark Joffe
Written by John Clarke
Don Watson
Starring Billy Connolly
Judy Davis
Release date(s) 2001
Running time 97 mins
Country Australia
IMDb profile

DVD coverThe Man Who Sued God is a 2001 Australian movie in which Billy Connolly plays Steve Myers, an ex-lawyer who sues God because his boat is struck by lightning, and his insurance company refuses to pay, claiming it to be an act of God. By claiming to be God's representatives on Earth, the Christian and Jewish churches are held to be the liable party, putting them in the difficult position of either having to pay out large sums of money, or proving that God does not exist.

It has been said that despite a seemingly ludicrous premise, the movie is not as comedic as one would think, and deals with some very serious subjects, such as the ever-present threat of Australian bushfires, the church in contemporary society, and most notably; the role of large insurance companies and the way in which they can affect the people whose insurance claims are rejected, raising the very valid question, "Who actually decides if an event is an act of God or not, and who defines the nature of these acts ? Churches or Insurance companies ?"

Award-winning actress Judy Davis (who plays journalist Anna Redmond) is the wife of actor Colin Friels, who co-stars as Steve Myers's brother in the film.
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wayneL said:
I think there are useful philosophies in every religion. Even an Atheist may use these philosophies to improve their life. As a couple of examples, there is the Golden Rule as expressed in the New Testament, and the Way of Water from The Tao Te Ching.

Maybe not those who worship multi religions, but perhaps some who draw from the texts of several religions (and discarding what one considers BS :D)
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Exactly - throw out the Heaven and Hell stuff, and adopt the moral teachings
- forgiveness from Christianity , and
- tolerance (and a stack of other stuff) from Buddhism. :2twocents

You are equally likely (if not more so) to find these qualities in an atheist as in a Christian (IMO).

And you would be far more likely to find someone who follows "lead me not into temptation", (Christian or atheist), if they made the escape clause a little less accessible, i.e. "except that when I do yield to temptation, forgive me those trespasses". :2twocents
 
Dukey said:
???????????????????
haha - As a keyboard wielding MILITANT FUNDAMENTALIST Pantheist... "I object Your Honour - for I know not what about which they talk!!!" :p::D
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Well even pantheism seems to be a broad church, as both those mentioned on the site and those of the Wicca religion are considered to be pantheists.

It should still be an easy question though... or is it? :cautious:
 
wayneL said:
Well even pantheism seems to be a broad church, as both those mentioned on the site and those of the Wicca religion are considered to be pantheists.

It should still be an easy question though... or is it? :cautious:
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Yep - Pantheism is a broad idea - I guess thats good really - plenty of room for everyone!


The question may or may not be an easy one... and i could comment... if I could pinpoint what the question is!! :D

ie omnipotent??; or bushfires/rainstorms?
 
Dukey said:
Yep - Pantheism is a broad idea - I guess thats good really - plenty of room for everyone!


The question may or may not be an easy one... and i could comment... if I could pinpoint what the question is!! :D

ie omnipotent??; or bushfires/rainstorms?
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Oh.

I'm seeing the question as: If God Is omnipotent, why doesn't he put out the fire with a rainstorm?

This presumes that God is separate from the fire. Whereas a pantheist (a theist pantheist anyway) believes that God is all and all is God, therefore the fire and God are one (as is humanity and all else) and just is. This means there is no reason to create a rainstorm (also God) to put out the fire. It would be God extinguishing God.

Substitute "God" for "Nature" as the case may be.

:eek::eek::eek: Am I losing anyone? LOL
 
wayneL said:
Oh.

I'm seeing the question as: If God Is omnipotent, why doesn't he put out the fire with a rainstorm?

This presumes that God is separate from the fire. Whereas a pantheist (a theist pantheist anyway) believes that God is all and all is God, therefore the fire and God are one (as is humanity and all else) and just is. This means there is no reason to create a rainstorm (also God) to put out the fire. It would be God extinguishing God.

Substitute "God" for "Nature" as the case may be.

:eek::eek::eek: Am I losing anyone? LOL
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OK - I see where you are going.
... I guess my take would be that while 'everything is god/nature' - there is still room for things to 'be individual things' and be a part of Nature/god at the same time.

But for most Pantheists (I think... and its a broad school) - Nature/god is not a 'conscious entity' like us, ->> therefore wouldn't and indeed couldn't make any value judgments about a fire or the arsonist and wouldn't or couldn't do anything about it ... consciously.

So essentially I'm with you wayne.
My pantheist Nature/god - being more like a 'natural system obeying the laws of nature and physics' - wouldn't give a damn about an arsonists fire.
AND isn't omnipotent at all - 'It' couldn't catch you in mid air if you jumped off a building... 'it' wouldn't/couldn't know or care in any conscious way.

well thats my take on it anyway...:2twocents:D

(some say - 'where's the beauty in that?? >> my answer... 'go look out your window!')

edit PS: this has turned into an interesting, zen-like 'If a tree falls' type of question...

" If an arsonist starts a fire, does God care?"

Any other views out there?
 
wayneL said:
I'm seeing the question as: If God Is omnipotent, why doesn't he put out the fire with a rainstorm?
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You're one ahead of me Wayne (but I follow your reasoning about pantheism). I'm still trying to figure out why it's logically necessary to include "must extinguish all bushfires" in the definition of omnipotence. :cautious:
 
MS+Tradesim said:
You're one ahead of me Wayne (but I follow your reasoning about pantheism). I'm still trying to figure out why it's logically necessary to include "must extinguish all bushfires" in the definition of omnipotence. :cautious:
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Thats a great point...

What is actually wrong with a Bushfire that it must be extinguished...? Is everything that causes pain bad???
 
Well, according to Billy Connolly / John Clarke, ;) - IF the insurance coy calls it an act of God, and uses that excuse to "pass the buck" - then you should be able to sue him / her / it .

(presumably they would divvy up third liability each - father , son and holy ghost)

also fire by lightning
or fire suspected of being started be arsonist I guess (without someone to pin it on) :2twocents
 
speaking of lighning bolts -
I reckon blasphemy should be ok
- otherwise we (also - like Sudan) won't be allowed to name teddy bears this or that etc. :2twocents
 
Precisely, in Oz the remaining vegetation in "the Bush" is the type that has survived and flourished through 60,000 years of fire farming practised by the aborigines.

The Oz bush needs to have a bushfire at least every 2-3 years so that all plants have the opportunity to "recycle".

Many plants have seeds that only germinate after a bushfire has been through, so without bushfires these plants will die out, extinction caused by the greenies.

Also the decimation of koalas that occurs when a wildfire goes through is truly horrific, we will see the extinction of koalas in a lot of areas unless we hazard reduce in winter months.

THAT is why God doesn't put out the fires, our flora and fauna need them :)
 
2020hindsight said:
Well, according to Billy Connolly / John Clarke, ;) - IF the insurance coy calls it an act of God, and uses that excuse to "pass the buck" - then you should be able to sue him / her / it .
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Maybe people who don't believe in god should avoid ins.cos. ;) Or better yet, maybe ins.cos. should reword their escape clauses.
 
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