JohnDe
La dolce vita
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The only thing scarier is Paul Keating's unhinged ramblings at the Press Club today.
I adopted a set of rules for using social media from the outset that I do not break. Social media is potentially available to anyone, forever, and can therefore be a dangerous and unsafe place for the unwary.Then you should have no problem or fear in telling us your real name.
I suggest you review the Robodebt transcripts to see who has lied, deceived and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated information, and has had to fess up under oath. Then again, it does appear that many still highly paid people in government, on contract to government, and in the media suffer dementia from very important matters - such as the lawfulness of a policy - that they now say they "cannot recall".How would you feel if all our media organisations and government agencies gave us reports under false names, and then insist that we believe every word because they have spoken to experts.
It's irrelevant who people are rather than what they bring to the table. I don't abide by logical fallacies such as appeals to authority.You may be a professor in the field that we discuss, but unless you are willing to put your name to your views and thoughts it is all just heresy and fun.
Paul Keating remains public property as a former PM, having the continued benefit of perks such asThe private citizen Paul Keating has the courage to put his name to his personal views.
I adopted a set of rules for using social media from the outset that I do not break. Social media is potentially available to anyone, forever, and can therefore be a dangerous and unsafe place for the unwary.
I suggest you review the Robodebt transcripts to see who has lied, deceived and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated information, and has had to fess up under oath. Then again, it does appear that many still highly paid people in government, on contract to government, and in the media suffer dementia from very important matters - such as the lawfulness of a policy - that they now say they "cannot recall".
It's irrelevant who people are rather than what they bring to the table. I don't abide by logical fallacies such as appeals to authority.
Paul Keating remains public property as a former PM, having the continued benefit of perks such as
fully paid for advisers, fully-stocked office accommodation, generous superannuation benefits and a lot of free travel.
On topic, what are you offering?
And getting a workforce. Nobody wants to work now. Those that do are fully employed. The rest of the bludgrs are on the dole or equivalent.I'll pose the question:
Supposing that a real war, a proper one, starts on 1 January 2024. A date I've picked just for simplicity.
This war cuts off Australian access to anything from China and its allies and due to conflict cuts our liquid fuel supply by 50% or a bit over 500,000 barrels per day.
How quickly could we replace that using some other resource as the feedstock?
It took Shell 500 million work hours over 5 years to build a plant producing 140,000 barrels per day of petroleum liquids from natural gas in Qatar. That doesn't include time spent on design, that's just for construction.
They had about 52,000 workers on site building it. Noting they already had the gas sorted so it was just the GTL plant itself they had to build.
Anyone willing to speculate how quickly we could get four of those built with a war going on?
In Australia at present, we unbolt industrial machinery and send it overseas to be repaired. They send it back then the Aussies just reinstall it. Not all of it obviously but it happens - wouldn't be the first time it was airfreighted too when it's urgent.
Our capabilities aren't zero, there are workplaces still doing this stuff locally, but overall we're seriously short on the required skills and an adequate base of workshops and so on. It'd be one almighty scale up required.
Oh well, until we need to prove, show our ID, guess I/we can dismiss all postings in here as irrelevant, nothing serious and just a bit of fun eh?That is all fine, as long as you understand that an unnamed opinion by a faceless person should not be taken seriously. These forums are for a bit of fun and we can learn something but must not be taken as knowledgeable. Some of the current problems we see in the US and Australia, people marching for conspiracies, is due to the huge number of faceless people giving opinions. Regulators are currently discussing options to make it law that people must show ID.
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I'd also like to make another point.
It is most likely possible that some posters have security clearance status or NDA's that cannot be transgressed. I know I do so I've always that in mind when I post or read posts.
Lastly and irrespective of who we are, I'm all for attacking the ball aka the written word, not the poster.
And getting a workforce. Nobody wants to work now. Those that do are fully employed. The rest of the bludgrs are on the dole or equivalent.
If this scenario did come to fruition we would be stuffed. No need to worry about rising interest rates, affordable housing, and food.
China would own us in a flick of th eye.
Australia is a very different place to the one during WW2.There was a massive work force shortage during WWII, but they found a way.
Most cerrtainly did and thr Land Army was a good example of it. It brought women into the workforce later on.There was a massive work force shortage during WWII, but they found a way.
I'll avoid hijacking the thread too much but suffice to say I probably could write a book on the history of this stuff.....None of what you ask is new, though what you state is overly pessimistic but probably necessary in a time of war.
On one side of the family my grandmother went from being an office worker to farm labourer whilst my grandfather went from being a civil engineer to joining the military.There was a massive work force shortage during WWII, but they found a way.
Without delving too much into the AGSVA (note the digitial footprint check) and using VPN's, if the AFP or somesuch wanted to find and seek, well that's a given.Your mention of security clearance is incorrect. Posting on a forum and hiding your identity would nut cut it.
I have a family member working for the federal government and must follow an assigned security protocol.
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Good evening Mr Mullo. I'm not so sure. I think tht people as a whole would put a shoulder to the wheel, so to speak, if and when needed if a confict was foisted on us. For sure there would be those that would need a decent shove, but by and large Australia is for Australians.Australia is a very different place to the one during WW2.
Not sure if the current OZ population would just drop everything and run to whatever is needed.
The rules and regulations that have sprung up since them would cripple most independent thought.
Mick
Opinions having a foundation are valid irrespective of the person.That is all fine, as long as you understand that an unnamed opinion by a faceless person should not be taken seriously.
More likely it's sheer dishonesty. Some at ASF continue to post favourably on Trump despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.These forums are for a bit of fun and we can learn something but must not be taken as knowledgeable. Some of the current problems we see in the US and Australia, people marching for conspiracies, is due to the huge number of faceless people giving opinions.
That seems unnecessary as alleged unlawful or actionable conduct requires site owners to provide poster's details to relevant authorities. Are we going the way of China?Regulators are currently discussing options to make it law that people must show ID.
You actually need evidence in order to say you have been misled or lied to given that I have offered evidence to prove my bona fides on defence matters. It's your choice not to accept that such evidence exists but spurious to claim it is a rumour.You are within your rights to not give out your name or detailed professional experience, but to allow rumour of your knowledge to go unchecked is false and misleading.
Smart people can say dumb stuff. Where I see things that don't stack up it makes no difference who said it. If something does not make sense or has a valid refutation, the idea that a named person, or even an expert, has said it, does not somehow change its status. You are extending the fallacious argument from authority to an argument with identity.I mean no offence, however, just like you have a set of social rules, so do I. I read unnamed comments and take them with a pinch of salt, whereas I will take relevance from commentators that put their name and experience up to see.
Untrue.Your comments in this thread have been only your opinions but you want to come across as someone with experience in the matter.
Stephen Conroy, like you, has failed to show how China is a threat in the Pacific region... So here is is your chance.Yesterday Pual Keating tried the same thing as you, give reasons why China is right and Australian governments are wrong but ignore some of the relevant issues.
Without delving too much into the AGSVA (note the digitial footprint check) and using VPN's, if the AFP or somesuch wanted to find and seek, well that's a given.
Anyways, whatever imposed restrictions one has, one must tread cautiously between the contrainsts and even toe the party line.
One that note, link to the official ADF Twiiter and FB pages.
Segue back.
Interesting to note that the road to acquiring nuke subs is called the "Optimal Pathway for Australia".
Link to the ADF AUKUS sub pathway.
Opinions having a foundation are valid irrespective of the person.
Stephen Conroy, like you, has failed to show how China is a threat in the Pacific region... So here is is your chance.
Keating ignores genocide to defend his ‘China fantasy’
Every genocide in the 20th century had Western intellectuals willing to downplay it. Heidegger rallied in defence of Nazism and minimised the Holocaust. Jean-Paul Sartre dismissed reports of gulags when they emerged from Stalinist Russia. Michel Foucault was a committed Maoist and, when refugees described cities being emptied in Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Noam Chomsky cautioned Westerners against listening.
Sometimes called “tyrannophiles”, due to their sympathy for tyrants, the reasons Western intellectuals have defended totalitarian regimes differ according to time and place.
Some intellectuals sympathised with Stalin because they believed in the promise of Marxist-Leninism. Others were naive, and could legitimately appeal to ignorance. Others simply possessed a contempt for the West.
On Wednesday afternoon in an interview at the National Press Club, former prime minister Paul Keating, was asked about the internment of the Uighurs in the Chinese region of Xinjiang. Journalist Matthew Knott asked Keating if he could turn his characteristic invective against the CCP for its treatment of the Uighurs, to which Keating replied “there are disputes about what the nature of the Chinese affront to the Uighurs are” and “what if the Chinese said … what about deaths in custody of Aboriginal people in your prison system. Wouldn’t that be a valid point for them?”.
A charitable interpretation of these remarks would be there is not enough evidence to gain a clear picture regarding the detainment of Uighurs, and it would be prudent to withhold judgment until more becomes available. It might also be prudent for Australians to consider their own treatment of ethnic minorities, acknowledging deaths of Aboriginal people are disproportionately high compared to their population size.
In reality, there’s a large body of evidence available detailing the Chinese “affront” to the Uighurs in Xinjiang, from aerial photos of detention centres, to witness testimonies of systematic torture and rape, to demographic data showing a sharp population decline in Uighur regions.
In September 2020, Geoffrey Nice QC, lead prosecutor of the trial against Slobodan Milosevic, chaired the Uighur Tribunal, set up to investigate claims of crimes against humanity. Testimony from former detainees in internment camps described mass torture, rape and gang rape, forced sterilisation and abortion, arbitrary arrest and detention, and child separation. On December 9 the Tribunal concluded China had committed genocide against the Uighur population according to Article 2 of the 1948 Genocide Convention: criterion (d), imposing conditions intended to prevent birth. The tribunal concluded the Communist Party had “reduc(ed) the birthrates and population growth of Uighurs … (through) sterilisation by removal of wombs, widespread enforced insertion of … IUDs … and forced abortions”. Such policies are considered genocidal because they “will result in a partial destruction of the Uighurs”.
In response to the Tribunal, China sanctioned those who participated in it, while dismissing its findings as “sheer fiction.”
While it is reasonable of Keating to point out witness testimony can be unreliable and there may be some dispute over key facts, to liken the situation in Xinjiang to Aboriginal deaths in custody is mendacious in the extreme. Last year Aboriginal deaths in custody claimed the lives of 24. The Australian government is open and transparent about these deaths. The number of Uighurs detained in re-education camps in Xinjiang is estimated to exceed 1.5 million. The Chinese government seeks to cover this up.
And while the Australian government works to prevent Aboriginal deaths in custody, the detainment of Uighurs in Xinjiang is approved at the highest levels of government. In recordings of speeches given to party officials later leaked to Western journalists in 2014, Xi Jinping called on his apparatchiks to erect “walls made of copper and steel” and “nets spread from the earth to the sky,” while calling for the “optimisation” of population demographics. The Xinjiang Statistical Yearbooks shows what this optimisation looks like: a decline in population growth in the Uighur regions of 84 per cent.
Writing in Foreign Affairs last October, another former Labor prime minister, Kevin Rudd, explained that “at the very least, Xi’s embrace of Marxist-Leninist orthodoxy should put to rest any wishful thinking that Xi’s China might peacefully liberalise its politics and economy”. After studying his speeches and writing, Rudd concludes Xi is much closer to Mao in his worldview than his three predecessors. Awarded a doctorate of philosophy from Oxford University in September 2022 for his study of Xi’s ideology, Rudd now argues Xi’s synthesis of Marxist nationalism is an “ideological blueprint for the future” and “the truth about China that is hiding in plain sight”.
A key feature of rationality is the ability to update one’s beliefs in light of new evidence. Rudd’s attitude to China reflects this ability, whereas Keating’s does not. The belief China would open up and liberalise in response to globalisation has been described by scholars as “the China fantasy”. Like the Western intellectuals who could not give up their dream of a Marxist-Leninist utopia, adherents of the China fantasy now appear willing to dismiss genocide in order to defend it.
Claire Lehmann is founding editor of online magazine Quillette.
You claimed I only had opinions.Better people than I have reported on China's hidden threat.
Where is your evidence?Fair analysis requires an open mind to read from both sides, and then to weigh up the evidence.
That has zip to do with this topic.Paul Keating has helped create this recent publication to help answer some of your questions -
You claimed I only had opinions.
Where is the evidence of an actual threat?
Where is your evidence?
That has zip to do with this topic.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, other than implying that you think that the documents provided proof that employees of the ADF can post their thoughts under a pseudonym and it’s unlikely that they will be found out.
Despite your false claim you offer nothing to counter my factual remarks.That is correct, as a faceless forum user your comments are just opinions.
There is either a threat or there is not. I stated China has not threatened any nation, so if you consider this a mere opinion, then you need to offer evidence that supports your view.I don't think that I have used your words 'actual threat', please re-read my answers to the questions that you have directed towards me.
I clearly stated "international sentiment" wrt a new cold war, as found here, here, and here, and here. When publications focussing on foreign policy analysis have been saying this for some years, It's clearly not my opinion.The international sentiment is of a new cold war, with China replacing Russia in the fray. The west is in an active phase of "containment" and putting together various strategies such as AUKUS under the aegis of like minded groups of nations.
Similarly, the above point is not an opinion, as per this, this, this, this and this.The west is in an active phase of "containment" and putting together various strategies such as AUKUS under the aegis of like minded groups of nations.
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