China a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

moXJO said:

Also China supplies everything. No one wants that smoke.

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yes , especially that , China has a massive navy , but to us they just look like container vessels ( carrying everything we need , but are too lazy to make locally )

joeno said:

Indian propaganda at it's best. Yelling lies (or at best... exaggerations) and hoping other more capable people are able to do their dirty work to make India Great.

You make such grand accusations of anyone with contrarian views as Nazis - let's see how you're like in real life. Let's see if you talk the big talk and treat these "Nazis" as you claim the way Nazis are treated in history. You can try.

Let's put India in the spotlight:
- Have no principles morally on the world stage. They will wh*re themselves to any country that will take them in or give them resources. As seen with the US. As seen with Russia. And their little man Modi flying everywhere to talk about the greatness of India and how every country should open their borders to Indian immigration. I thought India was such a great country why ever leave??
- Trying to spread their influence and agenda in every corner of the world. One of the most ultra-nationalistic people who do not assimilate and will not waive their loyalty to India in Australia.
- Have one of the biggest propaganda and disinformation media networks
- R*pe capital in the world
- Even the high-caste Brahmin treated as royalty don't want to ever return. And are indeed almost 100% of the immigration.
- Discriminatory, humiliating caste system.
- Absolutely 0 women's rights. Women cannot go out at night alone without being r*ped.
- Average IQ 85
- Currently weakest physically according to global martial arts competitions and the Olympics. 0/0/0 medals in Olympic games despite having 1.4 billion people
- Intolerance to Muslims and other religions
- Highly racist towards non-Indians in and out of their own country. Well documented on youtube.
- Theft, scams are so commonplace higher than all other countries. Also shows how much they despise other nations since they usually scam elderly vulnerable Australian grandmas and the such
- Widely regarded as giving no value to the world, not even cheap labor since it is often of poor quality and service.

Allying with India over China is a huge mistake. Treating them as anything other than the biggest threat in this global chess game is a huge mistake. They must be isolated from the rest of the world. If they're so great they can make India great from within and leave the rest of the world alone.

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You may not be bright enough to realise this, but it is very obvious that you are a dishonest Chinese propagandist when you come into a discussion about China and your best effort to defend it is an off topic attack on another country, India, deapite no one in the thread being apparently Indian and perhaps no one in the discussion being Indian at all, and certainly no one else raised the topic.

While India certainly has its problems, It's no coincidence that most of your criticisms of India there are actually issues China has far worse than India does (along with a few factual criticisms of India mixed in).

The thing is, no one would randomly launch into a ln attack in India in this thread unless they were dishonesty and aggressively working to help China. As with a lot of Chinese propaganda, it is so blatantly obvious that to most half intelligent people, it actually makes China look bad.

Whether it's spy balloons flying over the USA and Canada and China saying they know it's not one of theirs then later claiming it was not a spy balloon then saying it was just an innocent spy balloon without any nefarious intent (the CCP is *really* bad at lying, largely because the West has so far been too stupid to do much about it), or whether they're lying about the Wuhan virus, saying they have confirmed it does not spread human to human while buying up global medical supplies en masse and encouraging Chinese people to travel internationally while shutting down domestic travel and it was later found in internal documents at the time that the Chinese government knew it was spreading rapidly within China for weeks while they did their best to control it within their own borders and export it to the world and buy up those supplies... or any of the countless other examples I could give, the CCP is incredibly prolific at lying and as with most things coming out of China the quality is terrible but the rest of the world is stupid enough to gobble up a lot of it anyway.

You accuse India of being racist while Chinese school children are literally taught to hate foreigners by their schools. I've been to India, am very much not Indian, and was constantly made to feel welcome (though absolutely, if I'd been a woman it would have been as dangerous as you say, though still safer than travelling alone through China).

What happened in Tiananmen Square in June 1989 by the way? Why did those tanks run over so many innocent students and why does the Chinese government work so hard to censor any mention of it and severely punish anyone who makes any mention of it?

Why are Chinese people so desperate to get out of China?

Why do Chinese people hate buying Chinese food and much prefer imported food?

Oh, and this video was literally produced by the Chinese government as propaganda to show how amazing its train system is. I don't know if it's more funny that the physics don't make sense or that there are so many signs so blatantly showing it's fake, or that they actually put a dragon in the water. This was literally produced as propaganda by the CCP!

...and on the topic of social media, why does the Chinese government accuse the USA of being racist for proposing the banning of Chinese psyops like TikTok, when China itself won't allow Chinese people access to foreign social media, or, TikTok itself! Could you get any more blatantly hypocritical?

From the other side of the story:
So in short, argument is about " is Parcel island China territory or not ?"
So no North Korea UN mission or whatever other pretext...
Which brings us back to my argument:
Should Australia get involved in 2025 in fighting China expansionist move on empty seas when not only its relative wealth, but even it basic needs for survival are so entangled with China.
Beggars can't be chosers.
And would the billions wasted on obsolete before delivery subs and fighters not be better spent on getting out of this economic addiction...
For example on a hot subject:
when not choosing: made in China solar panels, wind farms and battery storage which do further that dependency AND lock it for the next century with a 15y replacement cycle....
Vision, knowledge and common sense ....

funny thing, when recalled home, double agents, or useful idiots, expect to be sitting on the podium with their paymasters, but generally end up in a re-education camp, or worse.

Dona Ferentes said:

funny thing, when recalled home, double agents, or useful idiots, expect to be sitting on the podium with their paymasters, but generally end up in a re-education camp, or worse.

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True:
by nature, they can not be trusted whatever the sides.
But they get immediate benefits and can pretend to believe.

The problem with thread like this one is the near obsessive views of some to only see one side, and generally not look in their own dark mirror.
Hang on to your seats:
Probably naively due to age , i saw the pre Berlin wall collapse world quite black and white:
Evil side: red guards, USSR , KGB,khmer rouges facing the good Western side..
Of ctiurse, Pinochet, Vietnam, Bokassa showing that the CIA and European services were not angels...
But the evil/good side still mostly made sense..
Forward to 2025:
Was an Ukrainian, even BEFORE Putin invasion, having more freedom than a Chinese? Sure not, and as Zelinsky is losing control, much worse now with a full dictatorship in place.
Is the average guy in the street in Sydney or China SZ freedom much different?
West Joe vs Chinese or Russian guy :
Travel restrictions, mandatory jabs, ongoing surveillance, arguably i know no real/very limited choice of representatives, high propaganda feed, low education in critical analysis , history, geopolitics,petty day to day policing (smoking, speed limits, jay walking , littering..you name it and restricted access to law for the commoners, high taxation.
The western commoner has been pushed back to the subservient masses, with the ruling elite taking control.
Not only mega rich capitalistic wolves over the sheep a la Karl Marx but politicians, corrupt representatives..
Here in Australia not so much yet, just a road for a PM or a winery tour in limousine for a mp, or look at the cosy deals in Noosa or Sunshine coast shires for actual next door examples i see everyday.
But the royalty of the past in the West are being born again;
The seized chateaux of the revolution now inhabited by a new mostly unelected clique, soon generational : in France, the swamp in the US and Washington DC, all the EU administrative Mafia....
They literally live like kings,all expenses paid by the slaves..sorry taxpayers
Sharks frenzy feeding on the remains of our democracies,smashing middle class and putting the masses back to the russian style serfdom, often under the disguise of socialism or ecology.. the irony.
So as per JD Vance speech to the EU caste, let's look at ourselves first before throwing stones.
Once done, i would feel better with these threads.
Currently, it is a bit hypocritical imho and too easy to turn into a racist slant, even if we (nearly) all agree , i do, on some of the evils of the CCP.
Note
I am only involved in this thread as i recently live nearly 3y on mainland China, met some great people there, am aware of the limitations and believe i know more about eastern cities China than a few random youtubers