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Of course, and I don't think anybody is implying that technology should not be employed.

The point is having contingency plans for when it fails.
 
I drive long distances in Australia too, but I do find it difficult to get to the rural country side of Scotland without using a plane.

Also, those credit card points allow we to upgrade to business class on my way to Scotland, so even if a grey hound bus could get me there, I doubt it would be in the same comfort
 
Craton said:
Seriously?
Mate that's just trolling. My point was that placing so much reliance on the digital infrastructure and a handful of companies supplying services like CrowdStrike, M$, FB etc was and is setting us up for a big fail.
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“Setting us up for a big fail”… So what though? Say there is a big fail one day, we will make adjustments and get past it.

Even the Planes being used to take out the world trade centres and leading us into a 15 year war wasn’t big enough drama to stop us using planes, we just added more security, and planes are still safer and better than cars or horses.

What are you worried about? I say this as some one who lost a friend in Afghanistan, and has multiple mates carrying physical and mental wounds from the conflict, it doesn’t stop we wanting to have a airline network.
 
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Craton said:
Seriously?
Mate that's just trolling. My point was that placing so much reliance on the digital infrastructure and a handful of companies supplying services like CrowdStrike, M$, FB etc was and is setting us up for a big fail.
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Some people can't help themselves, even to the point of creating a new user account to try and fool everyone.

I'm starting to think it is a tool of the left political side, they put themselves up on a high pedestal and look down on us working class. Telling us but not listening to us. Pretty much why Trump has such a high following, people are sick and tired of being lectured by nobody's.

Take this thread, the majority of posters have been warning of what the possibilities would be if the electronic cash system went down, and how to protect ourselves by holding some cash.

And what do a few users keep doing? They resort to belittling tactics or tell us how much we're losing on missed Flyby points, and the 'chances of a... are....' But never do they contemplate that the majority may be correct.

As we the majority have pointed out many times. we know that a electronic monetary system is here to stay and is a handy tool, but we do not believe that it is the only tool. We believe that there is a place for cash and there will be for quite a long time.

Cash is King for a reason. On Friday afternoon it was proven. Cash did not fail, the electronic system failed across the world.
 
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So what eh?
Simples. Expect the best, plan for the worst.
 
Craton said:
Expect the best, plan for the worst.
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Makes you wonder what contingency plans Defence has with its super computers, which are shared with the ATO. Mind you we plebs will probably never know as the costs are not in the budget papers.

And it is strange how people revert. Travelling around over the weekend and noticed, for all the angst, payments via EFTPOS still seem to be the norm. Small cohort of observations of course.
 
Re. Defence Dept. ASD and Amazon in cahoots.
From Australian Defence 4 July 2024.
 
The question is whether that dependence ought to exist.

Can anyone give me one good reason why a petrol station should need an internet connection and associated IT systems in order to sell petrol?

To use it for convenience sure, but to not have a backup plan to be able to function without it?

To have added a single critical point of failure that need not exist, with no workaround in place, is an unnecessary risk and one that wouldn't be accepted in most situations. Unavoidable points of failure yes, not much can be done about those, but not unnecessarily added ones.

Even in the entertainment business there's equipment redundancy to an extent. As with anything there are limits, but the aim is to minimise the chance of failure and have workarounds where practical. "The show must go on".
 
Smurf1976 said:
Can anyone give me one good reason why a petrol station should need an internet connection and associated IT systems in order to sell petrol?
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Good question. Vapour recovery requirements and flow measurement being more accurate maybe. I don't know but someone actually involved in the industry might.
 

Often software is run from a central location certainly maintenance systems are for multiple sites for manufacturing / mining etc, in the case of a service station I assume everything is linked sales, stock holdings, fuel rate usage for reorder of supplies etc image lots of Algos running for supply / delivery estimation and so on.
 
Bellcose said:
Good question. Vapour recovery requirements and flow measurement being more accurate maybe. I don't know but someone actually involved in the industry might.
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I would say: SaaS
If you sell a software at xxx dollars per unit, no recurring sales, people do not buy and install updates etc
No good for the share market, investors, sales departments.
The concept of Software as a service was born, and it requires permanent or semi permanent check of licensing, number of users etc etc and the software get disabled once you are off line.
It can be managed in a better way but in a nutshell, no internet, no software working ..
The more SaaS gets popular, the more such issue you will get
 
No one is arguing that tech isn't useful. It is however very stupid to do away with cash and its delivery systems with the age of AI and super computers. It's just lazy. Personally I think tech can waste a lot more time in many instances.

As for this digital age
Scammers are ripping about $2.7 billion.
A report from canstar had banks ripping off Aussies of $4billion in tap and go fees.

I do think we will reach a time where our laziness will catch us with our pants down.
 
@moXJO I think that the term is "being reamed"
 
Went to the city for dinner last night with my wife. The place was buzzing and busy, food was delicious, service excellent, pricing was pretty good for two, but it would be a struggle to take a family like ours of 7 which includes partners.

Went to pay and asked the young assistant manager if they take cash, the look on her face was priceless. She started rambling on about how good it is to see cash, and she can't understand why some businesses refuse it. She explained how using cash is helping her and partner budget and monitor their spending habits. This from a person in their early 20's was very refreshing to hear.
 
I was just in a store that had a sign that said.

“If you are paying cash please provide exact amount, we don’t carry change”

That’s got to be another sign that businesses are moving away from cash, and not many people they see each day want to pay with cash.
 
What I read into that is this store refuses or is too lazy and can't be bothered to carry a "float" for the till.

Moreso and probably the case, young staff failing NAPLAN and need a 100 fingers and toes to calculate the correct change.
I get it that processing cash is time consuming but to alienate customers, seems plain silly to me.
 
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