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Cashless society

Yeah, a digital monetary system is safe. NOT

After an initial investigation by a specialist third party forensic cyber specialist, Total Tools is understood to have estimated that customer data linked to 38,000 of its shoppers has been illegally compromised.
The compromised data includes names, email addresses, credit card data and log-in details. Total Tools, through its owner Metcash, has alerted the government’s Australian Cyber Security Centre.

 
Yay, cashless!
 
I use Total Tools some of the time. Perhaps I should PANIC !!!!
 
I use Total Tools some of the time. Perhaps I should PANIC !!!!

Bloody slack of Metcash to not up its game and ensure customer data is secure. The Australian Signals Directorate and other bodies have been telling companies for a few years cybersecurity is part of their business and to consider it in that light. It's an issue for SMBs who may have say 200 employees or less and don't have in-house expertise.
 
The total tools breach has nothing to do with digital payments, its breach was of customer data that it stored on file, regardless of method of payment, if you were a member your details have been leaked.

You can purchase goods and services without signing up to all these loyalty programs that store your data.
 

The problem is that having a digital system is like being on a war footing 24/7. Software providers are constantly writing updates to patch security flaws that are being found by criminals and deluded people trying to find a way into the systems of governments, utilities, businesses and consumers.

There has been hacking since the invention of computers, and every year since we have heard from the likes of Microsoft and co that their new system will put an end to it.

Remember what happened a few months ago? AN OUTRAGE has hit computers around the world, affecting airlines, hospitals, retailers and other businesses. So how did that happen?

 

While that may be true, if I live a thousand kms from the store from which I want to purchase an item, I'm not going to get on a plane and travel just to pay cash. Buy local goes the cry. Not when the item I want is around $300 less expensive than the local store for exactly the same product. Nor am I going to create an account and have my details kept just make a one-off payment.

As for the CrowdStrike (?) outage, sure I remember it. Didn't impact me one bit and was mostly resolved in a day apparently. Others may have been shedding a few tears though.
 

What are you talking about, planes and $300 discount? Sorry but you lost me there.

As for creating an account, Total Tools have clients that are businesses. Which set up accounts because the regularly purchase, and those businesses may have employees collecting merchandise which is prepaid by the credit card details set up in the system. Get it? A cashless system.

I agree with you on the outage, it didn’t affect me either. The two store I went to on the day lost their EFTPOS function but they accepted my cash
 

I cannot help your understanding if you don't understand.

You can gather as many clouds as you like to yell at but business will not be going back to manual ledgers and quills. It's simply not going to happen.
 
You can gather as many clouds as you like to yell at but business will not be going back to manual ledgers and quills. It's simply not going to happen.

Yes Value Collector, the digital cashless system uses cloud computing and technology.

And as I said not long ago in post #2020


You are correct.

Using my business as an example -

It costs nothing to accept a cash payment, there are no bank fees, and we do not add any handling charges. The money is counted during normal business hours when there is a quiet period, and banking is done when I or someone else has other chores to do, taking advantage of a break away from the hectic business cycle.

On the other hand, is the cashless system. the bank charges the business different fees for different cards, and a fee for the EFTPOS facility. The bank also charges the customer a fee, either for the transaction or for the service. On top of that the business has an ongoing cost of thermal paper roles, electricity, and back up services such as a UPS (backup power supply), and so on.

A $50 note does not lose any of its value other than from inflation, businesses and banks do not snip a piece of the note each time it is handled.

A $50 cashless transaction will lose the customer a few cents every time it goes around the economy. A customer pays by eftpos and a charge is added, the business uses that to pay for an expense and another charge is added, and round it goes.

I am sure that one day, when very few people use cash, businesses will be forced to add a charge. But for now, and for small to medium business, cash costs less to handle than electronic funds.

Payment Costs in Australia Cash appears to be the lowest cost payment method for the small transaction sizes for which it is commonly used. An important cost advantage is that cash payments are quicker to process than other payment methods. The cost of a cash payment rises with the value of the transaction so that cash becomes more costly than EFTPOS for payments of moderate value.

The financial institutions and some businesses especially large corporations are fleecing everyone, and the blind are being sold sunglasses.

Card surcharges

Payments the ban applies to

This ban on excessive payment surcharges applies to:
  • Eftpos: debit and prepaid
  • MasterCard: credit, debit and prepaid
  • Visa: credit, debit and prepaid.

Payments the ban doesn't apply to

The ban doesn't apply to:
  • BPAY
  • PayPal
  • Diners Club
  • American Express cards issued directly by American Express
  • taxi fares, whatever the payment type.
 
John, even if you paid cash at Total tools, if you were a member your details are at risk, how ever if you used cashless and didn’t have a membership, your details aren’t at risk.

It’s not the payment method that put you at risk, it’s whether you allowed the business to have your details on file.
 
now IF a EU v. Russia it is in neither sides interest to use conventional nuclear weapons
HOWEVER .. EMP weapons ( killing electronic infrastructure ) would make a LOT of sense , as would biological warfare

but the EU seem to have cultivated a very special class of stupid

besides if Russia wanted to use nuclear as a weapon it would simply stop exporting uranium to Europe and let rising prices do the rest
 

I think it's the same principle of securing customer data. Optus, Medibank, Latitude Financial, all were deficient in that regard. The other aspect, which would apply to Total Tools/Metchash, is dormant accounts. It raises the question of cleaning obsolete data. That costs money and I suspect a number of companies are reluctant to do it which implies they are, at core, slack at securing necessary customer data.

As for cash, it won't disappear but in some areas it may not help you get the services you want or need. In this large country town, and that is what Canberra actually is, the majority of GP, specialist and diagnostic clinics as well as dental providers don't accept either cash or cheques. For private radiotherapy units, cash and cheques are a big no, no considering a patient has to pay upfront each week and the cost is approximately $5k per week. Even the motor mechanic I use insists on EFTPOS now - Only four of us here, we're too busy and haven't got time to go to a bank.

I feel cash is OK depending on the situation but not across the board. It's probably dependant on the circumstances applicable at the time and the reluctance of companies to deal with large amounts of cash.

It's interesting a couple of banks are imposing a penalty on having cash at call in accounts by paying either a pittance or zero interest. Of course people can move their funds elsewhere but the amorphous financial institution is thinking, thank god that loss making account holder is gone.
 
My point is simply that in the total tools case it’s not about what the payment method was, as John De claimed.

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In regards to “at call cash” it’s not as valuable as cash deposits that are longer term.

If you tell me that you will give me $10k for 5 years, that’s worth something, but if you say you might want it back tomorrow there is little I can do with it, so I can’t pay you much for it. Me not paying you much interest isn’t a penalty it’s just it’s not worth that much to me.
 
In the end, who pays for all these financial losses going on in the cashless digital economy?

All consumers of course.


 
I went to a new barber, he was cash only out of the 3 customers I saw, two had to leave the shop obtain cash, and I had to use my emergency $50 so now have to make a special trip to an ATM, not the best way to treat customers in my opinion.

I probably won’t be going back, there are other places to get a hair cut that don’t require me making special trips to obtain cash, just so they can probably defraud the tax system.
 

Surprisingly no one stole anything.
Sit across the street with your 100x zoom camera on the door till you get a code. Grab all the meat and exit before cops turn up.
 
Surprisingly no one stole anything.
Sit across the street with your 100x zoom camera on the door till you get a code. Grab all the meat and exit before cops turn up.
it might be the 'small town factor ' ( like the police station is 30 metres away ) or each food bay can only be opened ( legally ) with your bank card ... or just a matter of time

gossip says the local gun shop up here was ram-raided by thieves that stole the vehicle from over 100km away ( in Brisbane )`
 
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